“R is for Resign” says one brutal take on the new Canon EOS R mirrorless camera

Sep 5, 2018

John Aldred

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“R is for Resign” says one brutal take on the new Canon EOS R mirrorless camera

Sep 5, 2018

John Aldred

John Aldred is a photographer with over 20 years of experience in the portrait and commercial worlds. He is based in Scotland and has been an early adopter – and occasional beta tester – of almost every digital imaging technology in that time. As well as his creative visual work, John uses 3D printing, electronics and programming to create his own photography and filmmaking tools and consults for a number of brands across the industry.

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Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand, fast! It’s only been public for five minutes and already some of the biggest Canon proponents are slating the new Canon EOS R mirrorless camera. “R is for Resign,” says EOSHD’s Andrew Reid. And I have to be honest, I see his point.

Although the first DSLR to shoot video was the Nikon D90, it was Canon’s 5D Mark II which really paved the way for serious video in small form factor cameras (thanks, Vincent!). And with all the hype over the impending announcement of a Canon mirrorless camera, many expected them to do it again. To bring about a new revolution and hammer the competition into the ground.h

But have they done that? Well, no, not exactly. Here, let Andrew explain…

The EOS R (R for Revolution, apparently) is Canon’s most exciting and relevant camera this decade, passions are running high. I understand why. This is the modern Canon system everyone wanted and waited 5 years for.

1.8x crop in 4K is literally a deal-breaker for me. Nobody wanted this. I don’t even think many inside Canon wanted it but through some kind of very high-up management decision in Japan we have ended up in this shambles yet again on an important new release for video. Canon appeals to both stills and video users in the marketing, they really emphasise video on it. There is a clear market for it. Why not buckle up and cater for it?

I can assure you – buying a full frame camera to shoot nearly 2x crop appeals to nobody.

And that’s pretty much what I said when I posted the video from Syrp earlier. Or at least, that last sentence is. If I’m going to buy a camera with that much of a crop factor, I’m just going to buy a crop camera, because there’s better out there for less money. Like the Panasonic GH5. That’s been out for around 18 months already and shoots 10Bit 4:2:2 video internally. And it has in-body image stabilisation – another feature that the Canon lacks. And the crop from micro four thirds isn’t going to be that much narrower than Canon’s cropped 4K video.

But those aren’t the only issues with the EOS R’s video. To shoot 120 frames per second slow motion video you have to drop down to 720p resolution. Again, as I mentioned in the Syrp video, if you have to drop down to 720p in order to get a specific feature, then it might as well not have the feature at all – I felt exactly the same way about the auto-exposure 720p video on the D300s back when that was released, too. At 1080p, the EOS R is a mere 60fps (vs the GH5’s 180fps).

The internal codec is 8Bit 4:2:0, which is on par with the other full frame competition. Sony and Nikon both record 8Bit 4:2:0 internally, but then, they both shoot full frame 4K video, so you can sort of deal with it. Of course, you can get 10Bit 4:2:2 output through HDMI if you’re willing to record externally, as you can with the Nikon, but that’s a hassle that a lot of hybrid shooters really don’t want to have to deal with. And once you take that crop factor into account, the GH5 wins out again with 10Bit 4:2:2 internal recording. And, if you wait a couple of weeks, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K will be offering 4K DCI 12Bit RAW video.

But then, Panasonic is rumoured to be going full frame. By the way, I did reach out to Panasonic about this and they said that they “can neither confirm nor deny any rumour” about a full frame Panasonic mirrorless camera. So, make of that what you will.

Andrew quotes others in his article, too, such as Philip Bloom, stating that “this camera isn’t a revolution at all. Canon are playing catch up and with these specs they are far behind the competition, as in Sony and even the new Nikons”.

Andrew’s post might look like a bit of a rant, but he really does have some valid points. It’s well worth a read.

Right now, for video shooters at least, it looks like the new Canon EOS R is the worst mirrorless camera out there. Even when going against crop bodies.

[via EOSHD]

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18 responses to ““R is for Resign” says one brutal take on the new Canon EOS R mirrorless camera”

  1. Charlotte Fiorito Avatar
    Charlotte Fiorito

    Single slot is a deal killer for pros.

    1. Liam Avatar
      Liam

      Wrong! My D700 is STILL a workhorse body with it’s single CF card and NO video at all and my D810 has only ever used the second SD slot as overflow. The cropped 4k and no IBIS is the ultimate downfall for the Canon R !!!

    2. Chris Cameron Avatar
      Chris Cameron

      So tired of so called pro photographers whining about one card slot. If storage is your only point of redundancy then you have little credibility calling yourself a pro.
      Pro film shooters used two or more bodies. There’s an idea, PROPER redundancy. Also take another idea from film days, work as if shooting film, shoot on smaller cards and change often. Todays camera buyers are a bunch of spoilt babies.

    3. Richard Jacobson Avatar
      Richard Jacobson

      its not a pro camera

  2. Michael Estwik Avatar
    Michael Estwik

    Jared Polin is.

  3. Rob Hall Avatar
    Rob Hall

    “nobody’s complaining about the single card slot”…Yes they are.

  4. Jyi Offer Avatar
    Jyi Offer

    Single card slot is a deal killer for people who buy cheap cards

    1. David Portass Avatar
      David Portass

      Expensive cards fail too, I certainly don’t want to be the one to tell the bride and groom “oops the card corrupted”

  5. tomtomkinson Avatar
    tomtomkinson

    Alternate take: they don’t want pros shooting serious video on their primarily still cameras but can’t leave it off entirely. Canon realized they were leaving money on the table with the mk2 and coincidentally needed to upgrade their pro video line. Shortly thereafter they release a new cinema line and all but cease serious video innovation on the still bodies, most notably the 5D series. None of this should come as any surprise.

  6. bergstrom Avatar
    bergstrom

    no eye AF

    1. Mariosch Avatar
      Mariosch

      the EOS R has EyeAF.
      It’s not explicitly stated in the specs, because it’s part of the Face+ Tracking it seems.
      But there is an option to enable tracking the eye when using Face Detection.

      Right now it seems to only work in One Shot AF, not in Servo AF, though.
      I have read comments that Eye Tracking in Servo AF might be added with a firmware upgrade, but have not to found any trustworthy source for such a statement.

      We also have to see what it really means it’s only working in One Shot AF, as Canon states on their website:
      “with Eye Detection AF, when the EOS R detects a human face, it automatically uses the subject’s eye as the autofocus point and maintains focus as the subject moves through the image frame.”

      “maintaining the focus as the subject moves through the image frame” and “One Shot AF-only” sounds somewhat contradictory to me, so I’ll wait for someone to actually try it out.

  7. Joel Wood Avatar
    Joel Wood

    If you need dual slots, you’re not a pro.

    1. Cristian Briscu Avatar
      Cristian Briscu

      you need if you respect your work and clients and take no chances with random faults of memory cards.

    2. Peter Foote Avatar
      Peter Foote

      Huh?

  8. Mariosch Avatar
    Mariosch

    Having full frame 4K would certainly have added much to the value of the EOS R, but I don’t think it’s as bad as people claim it to be.

    Yes, there’s a crop. Which will be a real issue if you’re switching between Full HD and 4K all the time, because it means you’ll need to swap lenses if you want about the same field of view. I see that might annoy some people.

    With the 5D IV, a lot of people complaint about the crop in 4K, and that I can get, too – especially if you’re after a camera you can also vlog with. With the 1.7 something crop on the 5D IV you would need some real heavy and expensive glas on that thing to get a decent wide field of view. So I also see how people would complain about that.

    With the EOS R though the story is a bit different, because it takes EF-S as well. If you want a wide field of view, you can just put the EF-S 10-18 on the EOS R, which would give you an equivalent of 17 to 18mm FF 4K – which should be wide enough for most applications.
    The 10-18 is low priced and it comes with IS and near-silent STM autofocus drive. It only is f/4.5 to f/5.6, though, if you need more light, there’s the slightly more expensive 10-22/f.3.5-f/4.5 USM available.

    I have to admit, I’m not a video shooter, so I might miss some details on the whole issue, but for me it does look like a decent camera you can use for most situations with 4K video well. Sure, it’s not ideal, but it should work well enough.

    Also, a lot of people stating this is basically a 5D IV without a mirror, and while I agree that it’s very similar in a lot of aspects, I don’t think it actually is considered by Canon as such. Some of the specs as well as the price put it much more closer to the 6D II, so I would expect we’ll see a larger brother coming within the next 12 month

  9. Peter Foote Avatar
    Peter Foote

    It’s a mediocre camera, like the 6D.

  10. Ian Browne Avatar
    Ian Browne

    Forget Canon! Go Olympus! — dumping the D511 was the best decision I have made in forty five years of fiddling with cameras

  11. FREDERICK H W LIM Avatar
    FREDERICK H W LIM

    No… R for RETIRE