Panasonic’s full frame 4K mirrorless camera won’t crop and will shoot 10Bit 4:2:2 internally *updated*

Sep 11, 2018

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Panasonic’s full frame 4K mirrorless camera won’t crop and will shoot 10Bit 4:2:2 internally *updated*

Sep 11, 2018

John Aldred

John Aldred is a photographer with over 20 years of experience in the portrait and commercial worlds. He is based in Scotland and has been an early adopter – and occasional beta tester – of almost every digital imaging technology in that time. As well as his creative visual work, John uses 3D printing, electronics and programming to create his own photography and filmmaking tools and consults for a number of brands across the industry.

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At least, that’s what the latest rumours say. 43Rumors has put up a list of “confirmed” and possible specs for a potential upcoming full frame mirrorless camera from Panasonic. The specs do look very impressive, and quite logical given Panasonic’s reputation amongst filmmakers and video creators.

So, let’s look at what 43Rumors says is “confirmed”

  • Full frame 4K readout with no pixel binning and no crop in 4K 24/25
  • Internal 4K 10Bit 4:2:2 recording up to 60p
  • Similar audio adapter to the GH5
  • Adapters will be available for other mounts
  • Weather sealed body (probably shower/splash and dust proof)

The wording is interesting there. No pixel binning or crop in 4K 24/25. The next line, though, says that the camera will do 4K at 60 frames per second. Which means that at that speed, there may be some crop or pixel binning.

I think the lens adapters thing seems to be a given these days. Both Nikon Z6/7 and Canon EOS R come with mount adapters for their DSLR lenses. Whether or not a full frame Panasonic camera would have an MFT mode or not for using your existing MFT lenses or they’re looking at using full frame glass from other manufacturers, I don’t know. I’m curious to see what mounts they might support, though. Are Panasonic themselves trying to muscle in on Metabones territory and take out the middle-man?

The unconfirmed rumours are also quite interesting.

  • New Panasonic sensor, believed to be around 30MP
  • Possible 4K raw recording (perhaps external output only)
  • Two card slots (could be 2x SDXC or CFast 2.0 + SDXC)
  • No IBIS in early prototype
  • New FF lenses will have IS

No IBIS in an early prototype probably wouldn’t raise any eyebrows if not for the fact that new full frame lenses are expected to have IS. If the camera had IBIS, then the lens wouldn’t really need it. Yes, there are advantages to stabilisation in the lens that IBIS can’t offer, but looking back at Nikon & Canon again for a second, the Z6/7 have IBIS and the new Nikon lenses don’t have VR. Canon’s EOS R doesn’t have IBIS and some of the new lenses do have IS. So, that the new lenses are expected to have image stabilisation suggests might want to think more like the GH5S rather than the GH5.

Dual card slots I think is pretty much a given. Even though both Nikon and Canon fell asleep at the wheel with this one, I don’t think Panasonic will. I’d be surprised if it’s CFast2.0 + SDXC, as I think internal RAW recording is a bit of a stretch. Sure, they could come and absolutely blow everybody away, but while the Z6/7 and EOS R both output 10Bit over HDMI, none of them can shoot it internally. So, Panasonic doesn’t really need to put RAW in here to make it a winner.

The only potential competitor that can shoot raw is the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K, which shoots 4K DCI 12Bit CinemaDNG RAW video. But that’s a micro four thirds camera. If this is full frame, I think 10Bit 4:2:2 internal will be enough for those who really want full frame video.

It’s also expected to have all the headphone, microphone, USB, and HDMI ports as the GH5S with the flash to double up as a timecode sync. Teh price is expected to be somewhere around $3K.

As far as video goes, it looks like it’ll potentially blow Sony, Nikon and Canon away if the specs are true. The GH5 certainly proved that Panasonic has the capability. A full frame version of the GH5 (or GH5S) does seem logical and is what many would expect. Now we just have to wait until Photokina to find out if they can do it again with a full frame sensor.

Update: 43Rumors have just posted some more information they’ve received from a “highly trusted source”.

  • “WAY MORE than the rumored 30 Megapixels”
  • Development of the camera will be announced on September 25th, specs are not final yet

[via 43Rumors]

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9 responses to “Panasonic’s full frame 4K mirrorless camera won’t crop and will shoot 10Bit 4:2:2 internally *updated*”

  1. Abimanyu Boentaran Avatar
    Abimanyu Boentaran

    The focusing on their cameras horrendeous.

    1. Antoine Boyo Avatar
      Antoine Boyo

      No one uses autofocusing in the pro motion picture business.

      1. Stanley Kubrick Avatar
        Stanley Kubrick

        Yeah, except in the pro motion picture business they have $7000 eyepieces which makes focusing way way easier than in these prosumer cameras.
        And compared to the Alexa… These are all toys.
        Lovable toys nonetheless.

  2. mnedes Avatar
    mnedes

    The card slots thing again. Not all card slots are created equal. XQD is more robust than SD.

    1. Zbiba Avatar
      Zbiba

      2 SD better than 1 XQD in my book, two XQD may be too costly but I agree would have been nice to get one of each

    2. Timothy Avatar
      Timothy

      Arri Alexas only have one slot. Why would amateurs need more than pros?

      1. casey Avatar
        casey

        Most Alexa’s only have a S35 sensor, and upscale to UHD from a smaller sensor. Just because a “pro” camera does it, doesn’t mean it’s the right choice for everyone in every situation.

  3. Henry Hiah Avatar
    Henry Hiah

    I really wanna see Panny FF utilizing the USB-C port as good as the BMPCC4K, such as recording directly to a SSD rather through an external recorder.

    Felt that GH5’s USB-C port was missing out on the potential capabilities it could have stood out when it first released.

  4. Idin Aazami Avatar
    Idin Aazami

    I’m so excited for Panasonic’s Full Frame camera! I hope along with these specs it also has a flip out fully articulating touch LCD and 1080p at 180fps