10 Things You Might Not Know About Nude Models [NSFW]

Feb 18, 2015

Ella Rose

Udi Tirosh is an entrepreneur, photography inventor, journalist, educator, and writer based in Israel. With over 25 years of experience in the photo-video industry, Udi has built and sold several photography-related brands. Udi has a double degree in mass media communications and computer science.

10 Things You Might Not Know About Nude Models [NSFW]

Feb 18, 2015

Ella Rose

Udi Tirosh is an entrepreneur, photography inventor, journalist, educator, and writer based in Israel. With over 25 years of experience in the photo-video industry, Udi has built and sold several photography-related brands. Udi has a double degree in mass media communications and computer science.

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Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: Faye Yerbury

1.Yes, it is possible to make a living doing this. But it takes a lot of hard work and a good reputation. For every hour spent in front of the lens or canvas, roughly nine million are spent networking, updating portfolios, organising work, advertising, applying to castings, travelling to and from locations, packing/unpacking for jobs/trips (because even nude models are expected, often, to bring props/accessories/items of clothing) and attacking what I like to affectionately refer to as ‘the email mountain’. We are grateful for the email mountain; it keeps us in business; we just wish we could hire some hobbit minions to live underneath it and help us out every now and then (perhaps with purpose-built sticks and digging equipment) so that we don’t accidentally offend the creative types who grow more and more anxious by our lack of reply (because we are busy modelling by day, or sleeping by night, or, you know, doing other important stuff).

2. We don’t assume you’re a pervert, when you hire us for your artwork, personal projects or even just to test your ability to turn a lump of wax into a decent, human-shaped figure. (But we do seek standard references before meeting new clients, if we take our personal safety seriously). This should go without saying, of course; nudity is perfectly normal, but I have modelled for the occasional ‘newbie’ whose hands have visibly shaken at the experience; who’ve wanted very much to mention their wives and happy marriages within the first two or three sentences (perhaps in the opening email) to assure me of their lack of intention, and who announce that they will be leaving the room every time I change pose. It’s sweet, but largely unnecessary. Rest assured that if you’re not a lech, you probably won’t come across as one.

3. That said, we don’t really want you to touch us, especially when we’re nude. We are not made of fire (you don’t need to bounce away from us as though we might burn you), but if you think it’s appropriate to move our limbs for us instead of at least attempting to first describe a pose you are trying to capture, or push/poke us into position, without asking permission first (not while you brush our hair away from our faces) we may find you rude at best and threatening at worst. Any contact should be careful and brief; this isn’t because we’re precious (seriously, nude models are not divas!) but because we value respect. Most humans are intuitively aware of personal space and how the etiquette is naturally rather amplified by nudity, but if you know you happen to struggle with social convention, it’s best to steer clear of any physical contact unless specifically agreed upon by the model. Do offer to help us down from that tree if we’re looking a bit stuck, but don’t linger about it.

Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: Rayment Kirby
Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: Rayment Kirby

4. We really do care about your results. Chances are, if we weren’t in some way artistically-inclined or interested in modelling as a creative ‘vocation’, we wouldn’t be in this job at all; we’d be doing something else completely. (Probably something more boring). When hiring us, you are under no obligation to show us the final images, and we know that, but we really hope that you might anyway – it makes the whole thing more satisfying for us. This isn’t vanity; it’s fun to see the fruits of our labours, and we like to celebrate successes with you.

5. We are full of doubts, about whether we’re slightly mad for being involved in this quest for producing interesting, beautiful and engaging imagery via the media of our faces and bodies. We know this isn’t a normal job. We secretly quite enjoy the surprise on people’s faces when we tell them what we do for a living, but we also know it doesn’t quite sound like a ‘real’, grown-up job. We can’t pretend we have an office or a company car. We’re proud anyway.

Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: britalicus
Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: britalicus

6. In fact, we consider ourselves quite lucky that we get to experience things that other people might never even think of doing, in places we might otherwise never think of visiting. There is something very special about posing in a field of tall sunflowers in Germany, tip-toe-ing around beautiful old, derelict baths in Manchester, and lying on your back on amazing, cracked earth as a Californian storm builds over the desert. When we’re old and wrinkly, we’ll look back at these many, varied and surreal experiences with such excitement that we did them, that we didn’t say no; that we didn’t take the conventional path through life.

7. We really don’t mind at all if you forget to take your lens cap off your camera ten times in a row. We know there’s a lot to think about at once when photographing a subject, especially if you’re not that experienced (and sometimes even if you are). We don’t think you’re an idiot, even when you put your camera down then can’t remember where you left it afterwards (my most amusing memory of this particular mishap to date involves a camera being discovered in a draining board next to a kitchen sink; the photographer in question works mostly from a home studio – a backdrop against the lounge wall – and produces well-respected world-class photos of the quality that people all over the globe aspire to).

Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer & Makeup Artist: Rebecca Parker
Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer & Makeup Artist: Rebecca Parker

8. We like it when you talk to us. Sometimes we’re booked specifically for our own style of posing, and essentially ‘lead’ a shoot. (It’s surprisingly common that a photographer will set up the lights, then basically say ‘go!’ offering absolutely no input from then on.) That’s OK; we can work with that. But it’s nice when you balance that out by telling us what you want, what you don’t want, what you like and don’t like. Don’t be silent; it can make even the best models nervous (‘does s/he hate what I’m doing? Is s/he still there?’). Instead, offer some encouragement; or at least evidence that you are alive and haven’t accidentally morphed into a human/camera hybrid via some fluke melding tragedy, never again to converse with humankind but simply to roam the streets clicking at birds and wildlife like an interesting but somewhat deformed artistic robot.

9. But don’t over-direct us. Unless we are new, we probably know how to pose to create flattering angles and interesting imagery. It’s nice when we are allowed to get into the ‘flow’ of things, especially if we have a dance background (note; dancers make excellent models!). It can sometimes work against your own interests to interfere too much, unless we are doing something badly wrong (in which case, please do intervene!). I was once directed into each and every pose after each individual camera click, body part by limb by gaze direction, by a beginner photographer who, after tiring himself out towards the end, suggested I do my own thing for the last 15 minutes and marvelled at how much more productive we were. Unless you really do want exact, meticulously pre-planned poses (which is fine!), don’t be too much of a control freak.

9. We don’t like being compared to other models. It’s not big, healthy, helpful or clever. Being told that a previous model you’ve worked with did/was x, y and z, and it was simply wonderful, is all well and good, but can be deflating if you are saying it to imply that you don’t think we’ll be as good/the same. It’s good if you can appreciate what’s in front of you; after all, you didn’t rehire your previous model, you hired us. We can offer something different!

Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: Karen Jones
Model: Ella Rose Muse; Photographer: Karen Jones

10. This is the eleventh point. I know that. Don’t assume your model is stupid. Personally, I have a degree in philosophy; utterly impractical, of course (and if my date with an Oxford philosophy lecturer last night is anything to go by, these deep-thinkers can be a really unusual bunch, let’s just say), but at the very least I came away from university with the ability to win every single argument I am ever involved with for the rest of my life (and beyond…), using the much underrated tool of logic. Ahem, anyway… Most models I know are quite impressive, prolific and multi-talented, even just in terms of juggling all the organisation. You’ve got to be on the ball to make a career like this work. We’re probably not complete air-heads. But you knew that.

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Ella Rose Muse is a professional model-actress-dancer from England available internationally for artwork, film, photographic and commercial projects. You can learn more about her here and read more of her musings here. This article was originally published here.

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69 responses to “10 Things You Might Not Know About Nude Models [NSFW]”

  1. kaygeebonds Avatar
    kaygeebonds

    Well said! I think the most important point is the recognition that it’s a collaboration where both the model and photographer are engagingly creative and will always work better together through the process, both want a great end result.

  2. aleunge Avatar
    aleunge

    Very insightful and applicable to working with various kinds of models. Always great to hear what the models think… At least supposedly I don’t look like a complete idiot for forgetting the lens cap!

  3. Jeremy T Avatar
    Jeremy T

    Is it really an argument of you know you will win? ;)

  4. rivercityrocker Avatar
    rivercityrocker

    Here’s a tip for some of you models out there, don’t get paid for a shoot and then demand high-res copies for yourself. You can get money or you can get images, but not both. Maybe some inexperienced photographers do this but pros don’t.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You want photos of yourself, you pay ME for my talent. If I want photos of you, I pay YOU for your talent. Or we can TFP. If it’s a commercial gig, I’ll happily give you a tear sheet.

    1. Pedro M. Correa Avatar
      Pedro M. Correa

      there was no need for that comment here whatsoever rivercityrocker

      1. rivercityrocker Avatar
        rivercityrocker

        Sure there was. Nude models feel like they can tell photographers how to act then I can share my experiences with the nude models I have dealt with. Mostly dumb prima donnas that want to get paid and want free photos too.

        Screw that. I’m not a charity photographer. So you took your clothes off and modeled. And I paid you. That’s a fair transaction.

        When people come to me for portraits I don’t pay them to model. They pay me for photos. Fair transaction.

        If I pay you AND I give you a product that’s not a fair transaction.

        Pedro, if you’re paying models and giving them free photos you aren’t going to be in business long. Then again, I bet you have a regular job and you just want to take pictures of naked girls.

        1. Aaron Moore Avatar
          Aaron Moore

          Doesn’t those statements say more about you than the people you’re complaining about. I didn’t click this link to read another model bashing rant from someone who’s having issues with their photography business the same way nobody goes to a Chinese restaurant to see meatloaf and mashed potatoes on the menu. Stop hijacking other people’s article and take your rant elsewhere.

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            Nobody cares why you clicked on this link either.And you aren’t forced to read the comment genius. Read the article and move on. Simple enough.

          2. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            Also, grammar. That says a lot about you. Your grammar says, “I’m dumb.” Go take a remedial English class.

        2. Jennifer Deelstra Avatar
          Jennifer Deelstra

          Just by your ignorant, self absorbed comment I would never ever want to work with you.
          Get of your high horse, you look ridiculous.

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            I wouldn’t work with you either horse-face.

        3. Mike Avatar
          Mike

          What a complete and utter nunty! Yes you have a point to a certain extent, as already stated in point number 4.However the way you go about it just makes you seem ignorant, and I feel bad for the people that have to put up with your oafish attitude. You won’t be in business long with an attitude like that my ”friend”. You give other photographers a bad name.

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            You’re not a photographer. Your a dude that owns a camera.

          2. DeadByDawn Avatar
            DeadByDawn

            And your an utter tosser.

        4. Kruse Avatar
          Kruse

          Do you have a small penis? I just wonder, given your need to be the centre of attention despite being wildly off-subject.

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            No I don’t have a small penis, are you asking because you want to see/touch/lick it?

            Because if not, you’re wildly off subject.

        5. Michael Murphy Avatar
          Michael Murphy

          Sorry, I think you are way off base here and more than slightly too angry and burning bridges here all over the place. I’ve been shooting for over 26 plus years and I’ve only ever had 2 bad experiences with model (and both instances were in the last 2 years) and only one was a nude model the other one decided she was too good for me to shoot after I had already paid her and decided to tank the photo-shoot by not cooperating. The moral of the story, If I shoot you and you cause a problem and cause me not to get the images I hired you to get, I won’t be hiring you to shoot, like ever again. There is no reason to get irate, no reason to get angry, just Bye never see you again. By the way the one who tanked ‘our’ session has been asking me to pay her to shoot her again and requesting photos of ‘our’ shoot. I just file her request and emails in the round black filing cabinet next to my computer desk. That’s it and move on; why hold on to so much anger it makes you a slave to that or those who have made you angry and hurts you more than it ever will them, plus it makes you look less than professional.

    2. Ella Rose Muse Avatar
      Ella Rose Muse

      Dear rivercityrocker,

      I’m only replying to your baffling, vitriolic venting (of your personal/professional issues) because I’m not keen on the way your comment implies that you have ever met or worked with me personally, or that there is any history between us. On the contrary, I have no idea who you are (since you are writing under a pseudonym) but can be confident I’ve never worked with you, since I’ve never – not once – demanded hi-res copies of images for myself after a paid shoot.

      Perhaps you ought to re-think your approach/manner, if you are plagued by this problem. As others have pointed out after your further comment (below), you are certainly not coming across particularly well.

      I wish you all the very best,

      ~ Ella Rose ~

      (And to everyone else: thank you very, very much for your kind comments; they are much appreciated!)

      1. rivercityrocker Avatar
        rivercityrocker

        I never implied I knew or worked with you. I commented in the same way that you aimed your “article” at any hypothetical photographer. I was speaking to any hypothetical models that might read this.

        (You also seem to be harboring some ill will towards male photographers because you are speaking towards them very specifically in the way you write. )

        I’m not plagued by this problem because I make my terms very clear upfront. But many models don’t realize this because they aren’t shooting with professionals and when they finally step up their game they have unrealistic expectations for what they should get out of a paid photoshoot.

        And funny how you call my comment vitriolic, yet thank others who have personally attacked me with childlike insults “kind”. It’s not kind, telling me I have a “small penis” isn’t expressing any kindness towards you or me. It’s puerile at best.

        1. Aaron Moore Avatar
          Aaron Moore

          Ever heard of phrase you don’t get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression? Your actions painted yourself in a negative light. This article wasn’t aimed at you, but you took it upon yourself to hijack it. Now, you ruffled a bunch of features that you had no business ruffling. Think before you post next time!

        2. Charlie Avatar
          Charlie

          If you were REALLY a professional photographer you would be too busy to spend this time as an internet troll. I’d resort to the mindless sort of drivel to deride you, but you dont deserve the attention. I’m just glad for an interesting, informative article written by a PROFESSIONAL model for everyone BUT YOU.

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            OK, buddy you got me. Professional photographers don’t look at the internet. I guess you aren’t a professional either Chuck.

          2. Charlie Avatar
            Charlie

            Never said I was. The term is shutterbug.

          3. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            The term for you is shutter-douche.

          4. Charlie Avatar
            Charlie

            Ha Ha Ha, so now you start making up stuff. I just noticed your weird little desperate attempt at trying to continue a dead conversation. Good bye.

          5. mcollins48 Avatar
            mcollins48

            Troll–get a life.

        3. Prom Avatar
          Prom

          You sir are a proper moron. Your comment is completely unwarranted and uncalled for. Off course there’s no such thing as having your cake and eating it. Asking for copies of photos is not it however.

          You also get what you pay for so if you are happy with TFP models only then go for it. They’ll be more than happy to work for the photos but you wont get the cream of the crop. For that you need to actually invest something in return and yes, most professional models would indeed want copies of the photos for their portfolio. Maybe not super high res photos but it should at least be something they can properly showcase themselves with. So if you are having a problem with it by all means go back to unpaid models but then see point #1 again.

          I don’t have any problem with giving someone photos of a shoot. Heck it’s not like they are asking the copyright to them. If you can’t see what’s wrong with your posting here and what you said you are indeed not a professional.

    3. Jen Brook Avatar
      Jen Brook

      This is hilarious. I love a good rant at the author for absolutely no educated reason whatsoever. It’s like when psychologists discover a psycho murderer killed a load of women because his mother didn’t breastfeed. Actually, now we mention it…you weren’t formula fed were you rivercityrocker?

      1. Don Christian Avatar
        Don Christian

        Like i said i would have laughed at this when i was 12 lol
        I have to admit the immature behavior is rather funny at some point, but have to admit riverrocker could have made his point a lot better then he did, the way he did that caused him to lose all respect for his opinion.
        Hope you learned something here, next time you want some one to take you seriously and respect your opinion, don’t be rude and Obnoxious.. Haven’t you learned that in grade school from the teachers? lol

    4. aleunge Avatar
      aleunge

      Heya rocker, I think you’re missing a little bit of the point here. As valid or helpful as your point might actually be, people just don’t tend to respond well to douchness. I understand it may have been a semi rant with some intention of passing real experience to other photographers and models (I can even see that as a point in a “10 things you might not know about nude modeling from POV of the photographer” post), but the tone isn’t exactly fitting… talk about raining on someone else’s parade right?

      Why can’t a model get money and images? What about cutting cost with a TFP arrangement? Oh but you already said TFP. So you’re really agreeing to possible money and images… why the absolute “no” just for tune? Don’t be a douch, man. Coming from the industry, photographers rather not shoot for a dbag and I’m certain a model rather not work for dbags either (unless you’re a big shot we all know… then you kinda have a pass for that but we would just talk behind your back anyway). I mean who would happily sign your contract if you started off with that little blurb up there ^.

      But honestly, the issue at hand is not even really an issue, is it? The terms/conditions/what each party expects are all laid out for any shoot (especially commercial work). It’s all just part of the boring bits of the business really.

      1. rivercityrocker Avatar
        rivercityrocker

        You don’t know me. Stop using the word “douche” and derivatives thereof so much because it makes you looks stupid, especially when you can’t spell it correctly.

        And for god’s sake please refine your grammatical processes. You typify the dumb model to a T with your inability to make a comprehensible argument.

        You try to come of as a pro, but you’re just some dumb skank that barely passed English class and takes of her clothes for J/O photogs. One step away from porn. Won’t it be fun when you hit the big time and Terry Richardson is spooging all over your face?

        1. aleunge Avatar
          aleunge

          lawl calm your tits. You know you’re out of arguments if you have to resort to insults and calling out spellllin” ‘n’ grammamamamatical mispakes on the interwwwebs… OOooooo we’re all so hurt.

          And I love porn. It’s awesome. So is spooging. Now go home. Or go check your own grammar. It “makes you looks stupid.”

          1. rivercityrocker Avatar
            rivercityrocker

            That wasn’t a grammatical error that was a typo. Now I can see that you’re just a little girl trying to act smart. Go back to school and get a real job.

          2. Enrique Alcala Avatar
            Enrique Alcala

            It’s been 2 years since this rant and I couldn’t agree more !! I’m a photographer that’s just beginning and specializing in micro stock.. from my experience with people and mostly other photographers and threads/forums, this sort ranting is quite common and in fact justifiable !! Theirs a photographer who bloggs on YouTube that practically made a video about this and all the comments were photographers agreeing and commenting their similar experences… when I started wanting to do portraits I got in contact with a few chicks that did modeling and such but since I was a beginner I offered to do it free for experience than see weather this was my sort of thing, well as a result afterwards I pick about 25 images I toke than retouched/edit them and than send them to her only to get a reply that she wants more images !!! Like wtf. Not all are like this of course but it can be quite common to see this sort of narcissistic approached… photography is not a silmple thing by any means and to get that sort of client is just intriguing, i don’t think anyone is going to make a living with photography unless ur passionated about it with the long hours and stressful situations.. anyhow I bet if this article was about 10 things u need to know before hiring a photographer, no one would be opposing ur well put Argument witch is well expliened and simplified…

        2. Alyson Mitchell Avatar
          Alyson Mitchell

          Wow. I’m neither a photographer nor a model, but I have to say that you, sir, are a bit of a twat.

        3. David Craig Avatar
          David Craig

          WOW The more I read here the more my jaw drops…Gezz Rivercityrocker why don’t you just fess up and let everybody know you’re not a professor, in fact you never even graduated high school! Also your camera, (let along your photography skills) merely consist of a cell phone you stole from a girl who got up to pee at a local Starbucks! Now Rivercitytalker you know that is the real truth, and the more you type the more over-exposed you become! Besides professionals or professors don’t often stoop so low as to communicate to total strangers in such childish manner….Just saying…Now please, go ahead and throw rocks at me…And I will get you a glass of water, that way If the truth hurts you take a chill pill.

    5. IFPhotography Avatar
      IFPhotography

      It seems very odd to me that you have such apparent disdain for models, when they are the very bread and butter of what I assume is your business.

      It sounds like your shoots must be filled with nothing but one-upmanship and get-as-much-as-I-can-out-of-her-and-make-sure-she-knows-she-can’t-have-any-photos-ness, and end with you being glad your model has finally gone.

      You might find that if you’re nice to models and treat them with respect, have appreciation for their work and use of their time, and have a little humility, your photos will improve inexorably, and you might even make some new friends out of them. You might even find yourself being a happier person, all-round.

      1. rivercityrocker Avatar
        rivercityrocker

        You’re a dolt. I’m a professional photographer. I work with professional models. Not dumb bitches out to get paid AND get free photos.

        In the real industry, not the model-mayhem world, we know how business works. You get paid to do your job. I shoot. They model.
        I get money for my work, they get pictures.
        They model for money, not photos.

        I’m very nice to the models I use, and I treat them with respect. They in turn respect me. Some of my models are friends, some are business associates. I don’t need to befriend everyone I photograph.

        As far as my photography “improving”, you don’t know anything about my photography. I’m a former photography professor. I don’t really need to improve, I’m at the top of the game.

        1. IFPhotography Avatar
          IFPhotography

          I’m a professional photographer too (“dolt” is up for debate). Funny, because where I come from we don’t refer to models or anyone else in the industry, for that matter, as “dumb bitches”.

          Although, clearly the “real” industry is a cut-throat place where money is king and pictures get passed around in pin-locked attache cases. So perhaps I’ve been misinformed.

          You’re right though, I don’t know anything about your photography but I can barely begin to imagine the splendour of your photographs by someone who is an ex-professor who has reached the very pinnacle of artistic perfection where there is simply no further room for improvement. The top of the game must be a very lonely place, with everyone else looking up at you all the time.

          Here’s a thought though: Perhaps, since you were last IN the game; before you’d done it all and crossed the finish line, leaving us all trailing behind, it’s possible that the game has actually changed somewhat since your day.

          These days, professional models are not always the ones in the newspapers. They’re not all called Kate Moss, or Cindy Crawford, or Cara Delevingne. SOME professional models are legitimately professional (since they earn all of their money through modelling) by being models for amateur photographers, editorial or fine art photographers, stock photographers, etc., all these other genres where the end photos often are not released into the public domain. These models may need photos to add to their portfolio. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable, acceptable and normal for money AND images to be the model’s payment.

          I don’t know which rule book you’ve been reading where it says models get EITHER money OR images, but it’s very out of date. You may wish to get the latest one where it says that any photographer and/or model can do ANYTHING they wish with regards to money and images. There are no rules. There are no traditions. It is an agreement and contract between photographer and model alone.

          1. David Craig Avatar
            David Craig

            WELL SAID!

        2. Don Christian Avatar
          Don Christian

          Hey Riverrocker, in the model-mayhem world they are a lot of professional models even famous ones who have worked in the business, Including working for VOGUE, Rolling stones, playboy, penthhouse, Maxim, FHM, ALLURE, Glamour, Bazaar, cosmopolitan, and more. Don’t think it’s MM is just newbie on there, they are Famous Models and Celebrities on model-mayhem, including publishers.

          here are just some of them models ;

          BrittanyF 1
          Roxanne Lane,
          Amanda Redd,
          Miss Kendra Keyes,
          Lauren Kain,
          Victoria Nika Zdrok,
          Aubrey Oday,
          Shannon Sunderlin

          Here is a question, if your a professional photographer, what models have you worked with that are Famous Models or Celebrities?

          Do you even have playboy model or model published in a magazine sold in stores in your portfolio?
          I worked with 3 models who was published in playboy..
          1 in vogue, 1 in Maxim..

          1. Fuya Avatar
            Fuya

            i dont think hes replying to these :/

    6. Bob Thompson Avatar
      Bob Thompson

      Tell it like it is brother! Don’t let these white-knight beta-boys convince you have said something untrue.

    7. Don Christian Avatar
      Don Christian

      Actually i agree with that, How ever, I do offer some images to models i work with, in fact have become friends with some of them, but You have a point that i feel is valid, Post production of images takes time and work,

      And i happen to be very good at it, that is why i get paid for it, i do weddings and other stuff, and get paid for all of it, I don’t usually hire models to just collect images and let them sit on a hard drive.

      I hire models for projects and try to get my work published or sold, that is why i pay the model for his/her work and make sure i get a full rights model release.
      If a model wants finished images of the work we did i generally ask for compensation for them.

      I don’t always give them out for free, As Rivercityrocker said a photographers talent is worth compensation for, just the same as I would never ask a model to work with me for free. So if a model wants a set of the work we did i expect a reduced rate.

      how ever Rivercityrocker calling a model horse-face very unprofessional and immature, i might have laughed at that when i was 12.
      They are tons of girls out there posing nude just for quick $$ and generally not Passionate about modeling, Those are the inexperienced models and generally don’t produce good work.
      Some of them in fact are both MODELS / CALL GIRLS, i’ve seen it.
      How ever I generally look out for that and do my research as all photographers should if they are expecting to get anything good out of the shoot.
      The other thing i notice that i point out to photographers, Yes i believe these models should be compensated for there work how ever, some go on modelmayhem create a profie post some images from there cell phone or pictures from a non-photographer or a photographer who clearly sucks at it and then
      expect to get paid $100.00 per hour like the talented experienced models out there, just because they are posing nude. This is really a laugh, i never ever ever would pay an inexperienced model nude or not nude anywhere near $100.00 per hour, that is unreasonable, They believe they can post a couple naked picture on there profile and think they deserve the same rate as the other experienced models NO! NO! NO!, that’s like me getting out of high school and applying for a job at COMCAST or something and tell them i want to get the same rate as there experienced workers are getting. It doesn’t work that way!!!!
      Show me something in your portfolio, or a professional reference that shows me you deserve $100.00 per hour.
      I do believe they deserve something yes but not $100.00 per hour.
      I generally don’t pay more then $50.00 per hour for inexperienced models weather they are posing nude, or not, they are many reasons for that.

      #1 it’s a slap in the face to hard working experienced models who put all there energy into it,

      #2 It takes more work for the photographer / director to get the model to pose and setup for the right shot, It takes a lot of work for us to work with that and get good images. Lets face it inexperienced models work shows it in the images.

      #3 Because it takes more work to work with a inexperienced model it takes longer to accomplish projects and then ends up costing more because of the clock running.

      #4 if you have no references or can show me work that constitutes $100.00 per hour, Then $50.00 per hour is all your worth getting and maybe even not worth that, depending.

      Hell if your a supermodel I would gladly Pay you $300.00 per hour to do nudes, or even fashion work if it’s the right project,, but don’t tell me i should pay you $100.00 per hour like the others are getting paid,and have no experience.
      that’s insane..

      Donny

  5. Danny Liverman Avatar
    Danny Liverman

    Great tips! Thank you for posting

  6. Marc Synwoldt Avatar
    Marc Synwoldt

    Well written and quite insightful article, originally posted on the model’s website. Not that I’m in a position, nor likely ever will be, to book anyone of her calibre. (It is hard enough to afford a decent versatile kit already.) However, these are valuable pointers as to how nude models, at least this particular one, feel about what they do and while they are doing it, and also about the photographers working with them.

    While none of her points comes as a complete surprise to any halfway sensitive adult human being, including males, it is good to be reminded of them, not just because you may be wrapped up so much in the photography on the occasion, but also as they seem to offer chances for building true rapport, which must be conducive to impressive results, and must make such shoots so much more satisfying to both photographer and model. Highly appreciated.

  7. Hannah Pazderka Avatar
    Hannah Pazderka

    Ella, just a comment on your pics – your range is incredible! I had no idea (until I looked at the credits) that all the photos were of you. Bravo!

  8. Jen Brook Avatar
    Jen Brook

    A brilliant and well written article by an artist I particularly admire. From one model to another, nice article Ella!

  9. Damien Lovegrove Avatar
    Damien Lovegrove

    You are amazing, all of you. This article is fab and I feel very privileged to have the opportunity on occasion to work with professional models. I’ve learned a lot from reading this essay and wow how amazing are you? Eloquent, beautiful, level headed, easy to get along with, talented, dedicated and utterly professional. I may have a few of those qualities, (not many) but I really do admire what you do and respect you. Fab!

  10. Charles Le Avatar
    Charles Le

    Thank you Ella, for the insight. I appreciate you taking the time to write it. I especially like tip #9. As a photographer who shoots clients, I’m always under the gun to tell them what pose to do and how to do it. Most clients are not models and will just stand still and look awkward if I don’t direct them every step of the way. I feel less pressure when I know that I don’t have to tell an experience model what to do every step of the way, and that I can count on her creativity and experience to make it a more collaborative session.

  11. OjaDavid Avatar
    OjaDavid

    I have a degree in Philosophy too! But alas, I can’t afford a model and even if I could, I have some general terror of pointing my camera at people. Hence, I’m a landscape guy. I think Wittgenstein would approve.

  12. Andy Farman Avatar
    Andy Farman

    Thank you Ella, that was both informative and insightful.
    I have very little to do with the industry other than to pay artists to sketch models for book illustrations, so no cameras involved, but it is always educational to see the world through someone else’s eyes.

    Good article, thank you.

  13. Nico Avatar
    Nico

    I’m barely a wannabe photographer and it’s really really really nice to read words like yours! It’s quite reassuring and I sincerely feel that I have to thank you for this. Next step: I have to contact some models :)

  14. Michael McIntosh Avatar
    Michael McIntosh

    Hi Ella if you ever decide to visit Jamaica which you should in you’ve never, look me up. Woooow your photos are soooo impressive. Just to have you in front my camera would be an honour.

  15. TheBurningBush Avatar
    TheBurningBush

    nude models are skanks, especially non-professional ones. most of them are just drug dependant slits looking for easy money for a quick fix.

    1. Don Christian Avatar
      Don Christian

      Bullshit,, i think you have no respect for females, was your mother or sister a stripper or something?

  16. Dan Spector Avatar
    Dan Spector

    Dear beautiful philosophy major,
    You have ten points, but you think you have eleven. Well said anyway.

  17. Gary Tsejan Avatar
    Gary Tsejan

    Great article. I love your modeling work… always beautiful, always elegant.

  18. John Avatar
    John

    By claiming to win “every single argument”, you are assuming that the person opposite is inferior, the very reason that compelled you to write such a paragraph in the first place .. : – ). You know, some people have doctorates out there Ella, not that a degree is any proof talent, a deductive argument which I would say is an inference from premise to conclusion. But the rest of the article makes perfect sense to me …. and you are a superb model too .. : -)

  19. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Hi, Thank you for all the info. I’m considering the possibility of finding and hiring a model to get a better understanding of Anatomy and painting a live model. However, I’ve never had the opportunity to do this or even attend a class as they are too far away. So, what sort of references could I provide If I’ve never hired a model before? I know that I would never cross any lines but I would want them to know that as well and be comfortable and know they are safe. How does a first timer go about that?

  20. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Oh. Just realized how old this is. I hope you’re still watching this.

  21. Abhineet Sharma Avatar
    Abhineet Sharma

    had this article saved in my facebook since last friday. Finally found time to read it. So well written! In fact, I didn’t know that one can hire a decent nude model for artworks! If I hired one, maybe I will be one of those ‘newbies’ you talked about in point #2.
    Lovely article!

  22. Charles Tryon Avatar
    Charles Tryon

    heh… Stumbled on this blog post, and loved it! I’m a sculptor working mostly with figures, but I also draw. I’ve never had a live, nude model to work from, though I’ve done lots of drawing from life with “dancer” dressed models, and love it. Drawing (and sculpting) is very different from photography, but I can relate with a lot of what you’ve said about the artist/model interaction. I love to chatter with the models, even when they’re trying to hold a 20 minute drawing pose. Breaks the ice and makes everything a little more comfortable.

    Funny when thinking about the idea of “artist/model”. In reality, both are artists — one creating art and the other locking it in a medium like film, paint or clay. And, I think that, when both are treating the other as an artist, a human being trying to make some beauty in this crazy, broken up world, then that’s going to go a long way in creating a working relationship which will end up making something truly beautiful.

    Thank you for what you’ve written. Good things to remember!

  23. Douglas Nonurbizness Avatar
    Douglas Nonurbizness

    Rocker is 100% right.

    Most models are such narcissists/ exhibitionist they NEVER give an once of thought to talents of the photographer. They are swell headed enough to think if they just show up & somebody goes KLICK the whole world is gaga over them, and they are automatically entitled to anything they want.

    Of course there’s the minority opposite, —horribly insecure.

    If Rocker did his job properly (signed model release) he OWNS! the pictures. To ask for copies is tantamount to walking in a doctors office and asking for an exam and the ex-rays for free.

    1. Prom Avatar
      Prom

      ROFLOL. So those are the only two types to you? Shame, you must be living in a horribly small world. Obviously has no idea how much more work it is to work with an inexperienced model. It’s as much about the talent of the model as the photographer and under common law she has the right to showcase her talent if SHE doesn’t outright own the copyright to the photos.

      And if you had tests done with a doctor you actually are entitled to get a free copy of the results showing once again how piss poor most people’s use of analogies are.

  24. Michael Murphy Avatar
    Michael Murphy

    Hello,
    I just wanted to chime on slightly. I don’t wish to pluck anyone’s
    feathers here because I’m reading a whole lot of anger in the comments on this
    post. So please if I offend you I’m so sorry, we can agree to disagree.

    I’ve been a Professional Photographer and shooting for over
    26 plus years. I just made the full switch to Digital solely a little over 3
    years ago. I agree with everything in the article, but the comment section is
    so angry.

    I often let the model look at my photos in my camera while ‘we’
    are switching pose sessions, I believe this helps both of us find what works
    and what we could do better; it also gives her an outlook on what I’m seeing ,
    what I’m looking for and my style of shooting. Before ‘we‘ shoot ‘we’ discus if
    she will be wanting and/or expecting any ‘prints’ or ‘digital photo files’ whether
    just Low to Medium res JPEGs or High res JPEG, TIFFs or whatever and whether she
    is just going to post them on her Facebook, print them for herself or print
    them to sell; this should all be hashed out in your contract to work with her.
    I think it is better to discus expectations beforehand.

    I have no problem and will give a proof sheet of low res
    photos to the model to look through and if she likes the photos (as outlined in
    the contract/Model Release) I will give her some High res Digital Photos
    suitable for printing but ‘we’ understand that they are not ‘print for sale’
    and they are flat files with my logo and/or watermarks physically on them in
    either the lower left or right corner visible but not obstructive in the view
    of the image (and is not to be cropped out).

    If she expects a lot of Digital Photo files or prints then ‘we’
    need to have discussed this before hand and adjusted her rate of pay to include
    the photos, of go ‘TFP’. This isn’t something I can see or understand a whole
    bunch or professionals getting so irate over, discuss it before hand and
    include t in the Model Release/ Contract so there won’t be any
    misunderstandings.

    God Bless.

  25. Batman Avatar
    Batman

    I reject the notion that she can win every argument by logic alone.

  26. Jaime Krisse Orm Avatar
    Jaime Krisse Orm

    Today in my figure drawing class our model snapped at me and one of my classmates for talking. Not shouting, not even talking loudly, she humiliated us and we thought we did something wrong. We’ve always been allowed to talk to one another in our classes and we’ve never been vulgar or condescending (we were talking about what kinds of music we liked- nothing obscene). I immediately recognized this model as SOON as she was rude, as my figure sculpture professor refused to invite her back after she had an outburst like this once in her very laid back class.

    My point: don’t be like this woman. I know most of our campus’ models because I have taken so many figure study classes and we speak pleasantly, know each other by name, and are enthusiastic about working together. This woman strikes me as a rude narcissist that, if ALL of the attention is not on her, she has a temper tantrum.

    If you need a certain type of environment (such as minimal chattering/talking to peers), say this NICELY at the beginning of class. Do not shout at us in the middle of our class in front of everyone. I can’t believe this woman is still being hired at our campus and I will be personally filing a complaint on her. This behavior was trashy and childish.

  27. Tonya S. Avatar
    Tonya S.

    Great article with fine points!