Street photographer slammed in a viral post for taking photos in public

Aug 12, 2019

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Street photographer slammed in a viral post for taking photos in public

Aug 12, 2019

Dunja Djudjic

Dunja Djudjic is a multi-talented artist based in Novi Sad, Serbia. With 15 years of experience as a photographer, she specializes in capturing the beauty of nature, travel, and fine art. In addition to her photography, Dunja also expresses her creativity through writing, embroidery, and jewelry making.

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Last week, street photographer Joshua Rosenthal visited the Ventura County Fair in Ventura, California. Since he is, well, a street photographer, he used the opportunity to take some candid portraits of people at the fair. When he woke up the following day, he saw something extremely unsettling: photos of him were shared across Facebook, along with vicious and disturbing accusations from local vigilantes.

Joshua shared the Facebook post he found. He explained that he often takes photos of people without prior approval, because “the photos speak more to the moment.” He added that “one can’t capture life when it’s being posed.” And while he was taking candid photos at the fair, someone photographed him. His photos were shared on Facebook along with a post calling him a “piece of sh*t” and indicating that he was targeting young girls.

So guys, I have woken up to all the sadness in this world striking me square in the face. Not really sure how to respond…

Posted by Joshua Rosenthal on Friday, August 9, 2019

Some of the comments below the post were quite disturbing, saying stuff like “these type of people need to be killed.” And as if all of this weren’t enough, Joshua was also questioned by the police. Ventura Police Department published a post on their Facebook page saying that they questioned the photographer both at the fair and the day after. “No crime occurred during this incident,” the post concluded. However, it has now been deleted from Facebook.

Of course, Joshua felt terrible about the whole incident. “No- one here seems to be assuming responsibility. No- one wants to talk to me about what I did. People are just making accusations with no facts,” he wrote in his Facebook post.

Let’s not forget that a moral compass does not constitute the law. What one sees as being “wrong” is not illegal. In today’s day and age, if you see something you don’t like, ask about it… I’d be willing to bet there is another story.

Sorry I scared you (parents of some random girl) I understand that one wants to protect their kids. But protect them from what? Check out my photography guys, you be the judge. Then if you have questions, ask..

On the one hand, I completely understand parents for being concerned about their kids’ safety. As a photographer, I know what it’s like when people look at you suspiciously (for whichever reason) when you take photos with a DSLR. So, perhaps that suspicion is even bigger when that camera is pointed at their child. Because of this, I would always ask the parent for permission, even though I’m not obliged to. There is no law prohibiting you from taking photos in public, even if you’re photographing children.

Because of this law, some photographers rather just stick to it and simply don’t ask for permission. If I were on the other side of the lens, I would always warn the photographer if I didn’t want mine or my kid’s photo to be taken. If I were concerned, I would express it try to talk, just like Joshua suggested. In my world, most of the problems can be solved with a sincere conversation. But apparently, not everyone thinks the same.

Some people prefer staying quiet and publicly calling out on someone. And I wonder what kind of people will write that someone “needs to be killed.” People like that scare me way more than someone who stealthily takes my photo.

[Update 13 August 2019: the article was edited to include the link to the original Facebook post]

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225 responses to “Street photographer slammed in a viral post for taking photos in public”

  1. Charlie Bruce Avatar
    Charlie Bruce

    All this because the guy used a DSLR/Mirrorless to follow his passion for street photography. If he used a phone nobody would have batted an eyelid.

    1. Luis Chico G Padrela Avatar
      Luis Chico G Padrela

      Charlie, true story… ??‍♂️?

    2. FrogLuvR Avatar
      FrogLuvR

      True about the cellphone stuff. Went into building, with my DSLR camera, that had a tall waterfall and wanted to take a few photos like I had did years ago. The security person said “no photography”……. but it was just find if I wanted to use a cellphone.

  2. Duncan Knifton Avatar
    Duncan Knifton

    and this is why I will never do street photography …you just can’t stop Social Media Judge and Juries….

    1. Lord Xenu Avatar
      Lord Xenu

      Pretty lame reaction, as you said people will always be judging you online or in person. Might as well keep shooting and move on

  3. David Lorenzo Avatar
    David Lorenzo

    I would be way more scared of that person taking photos with there phone rather then letting their intentions known with a actual camera.

    1. Mark Zilberman Avatar
      Mark Zilberman

      Very good point.

  4. Eva Duve Creel Avatar
    Eva Duve Creel

    I understand from a parent point of view. I remember while traveling in Cambodia several times it was mentioned, kids are not tourist attractions. Please don’t photograph them. I never really thought about it like that before but it’s a fair point. There is plenty to photograph out there. I keep my camera off the kids unless they’re my own or I’m hired to be there. Something that might make it seem less creepy for him, is if he put his name and website on his t-shirt.

    1. manofredearth Avatar
      manofredearth

      They might not even have the same laws in that country, so that’s fairly moot.

    2. Dan Avatar
      Dan

      Fair point. The other side of that coin is capturing images of a place. For me, I often prefer photos of people abroad or near home, whether man, woman, or child over other travel photos I take. People make a culture more than buildings and mountains.

      1. Gary Roberts Avatar
        Gary Roberts

        As an Australian, I may find your local County Fair, or even people walking through your suburb of cultural interest – that is I am preferring to take photos of people abroad when in the USA, showing a place.

        1. Dan Avatar
          Dan

          And I would understand, although obviously there are points where parents do get concerned. When my daughter was 3, a woman approached us on vacation and asked if she could sketch our daughter while she played.

  5. Kimberly Calvin Avatar
    Kimberly Calvin

    Do I agree with how this was handled? No. However, I can understand people not wanting a stranger taking their photo and using it without permission. I can understand people, who do not know what you are doing with the photos, getting upset over their daughter’s picture being taken for unknown purposes. Especially in this day and age when we know that can be used to find victims. How do you know the person in your picture is not hiding from someone? If their photo gets out, they could be found and that could be really bad. Asking before hand is just being respectful of others.

    1. Andy Charles Avatar
      Andy Charles

      Yes because someone who want to use pictures of kids for perverted purposes is going to be using an actual dslr. I’m fairly sure they’d use a mobile camera, nobody would think rwicw about some guy or women with a phone out.

    2. Pox Avatar
      Pox

      Actually, the more photos of your little girl are being taken every day, the higher the chances are to find the culprit (ex: kidnapper) should something happen.

      1. Kimberly Calvin Avatar
        Kimberly Calvin

        What? I am a woman so I have children or more specifically a little girl? Really?

    3. Jyndaru Avatar
      Jyndaru

      This is just asinine.

    4. Carl LaFong Avatar
      Carl LaFong

      I’ll bet you don’t get the permission of every person in the background of a selfie or shot of a public place, so please…

      Hiding at a county fair? Seems like a poor plan.

      1. Kimberly Calvin Avatar
        Kimberly Calvin

        First off, this guy was out taking pictures of other people, he was not taking pictures of himself and accidentally getting other people. If someone asked him to not take a picture of them, he should honor that. Second, you assume I take pictures of myself. Nice try. I do not take pictures of myself when I am out in public. Heck, I don’t tend to take pictures or have pictures taken of myself. I don’t like it personally. Every street artist I have ever run into in public has always been courteous enough to ask people if it was ok for them to take candid photos of them. And as I said to start my original comment, which most of you seem to chose to ignore, I do not agree with how this was handled. But hey, do what you have to. People who are trying to avoid an abuser still deserve to have fun and enjoy themselves. Asking is just being polite, especially if you are going to sell my image.

        1. Carl LaFong Avatar
          Carl LaFong

          Go back an re-read the article. He was NOT asked to stop. He was photographed (which is perfectly fine)
          doing his photography and then slandered online after the fact with
          groundless accusations, which triggered online threats that he should be
          “killed”. At no time
          is it mentioned that anyone asked him to stop. Also, you should know
          that NO ONE can sell your image without a model release; that was never
          the issue. I did read that you didn’t like how it was handled, but you
          apparently didn’t read the original posting
          too well and jumped to conclusions.

    5. AgNO3 Avatar
      AgNO3

      That’s crazy, the exact opposite could be said that you might save an abducted child.

  6. markles Avatar
    markles

    What is even the point of his photography? Candid portraits of people using cell phones? This kind of thing is ubiquitous to the point of being meaningless, and the fact that it is surreptitious precludes any pre-emptive “discussion.”

    I definitely don’t support anyone being killed or threatened for this but there are reasons why more and more laws against this kind of photography are being enacted. The internet is everywhere and once a photo is up, it’s up forever.

    Rosenthal needs to get a life of his own and stay out of the lives of others.

    1. Bartosz Chromiński Avatar
      Bartosz Chromiński

      Quality troll attempt, bravo.

    2. Mark K. Clotfelter Avatar
      Mark K. Clotfelter

      Obviously not the response of a photographer

      1. NinoBr0wn Avatar
        NinoBr0wn

        Or the response of a jealous rival photographer who’s memory card corrupted on back to back shoots. The plot thickens.

    3. Harper_PAC Avatar
      Harper_PAC

      Have you seen street photography of NYC in the 1940’s? Its fascinating.

      Folks in 3030 will look back in awe at how we once strapped ourselves into metal boxes on wheels and hurtled ourselves towards oncoming humans expecting them to stay in their lane LOL

    4. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      “…there are reasons why more and more laws against this kind of photography are being enacted.” Could you give us a few examples?

  7. Kacper Marczukiewicz Avatar
    Kacper Marczukiewicz

    He camera. He pedo. ARF. ARF.

    1. Sugata Banerji Avatar
      Sugata Banerji

      But she camera, she not pedo. Have you noticed that?

  8. Pox Avatar
    Pox

    The problems with this guy are his technique and his face. Technique because it’s too obvious he’s aiming at strangers and little girls, you have to learn how to become a ninja. Face because he looks a bit like a psychopath, not just the face but his whole attitude… Some people are really good at detecting potentially dangerous people and that’s why he got flagged.

    1. Jore Puusa Avatar
      Jore Puusa

      Poor USA. You are stuck in the hate of everything different and in hate of each other. It`s nice to live here in a developed country like Finland and not in a third world country like Yours. Here I can do my work and take pictures of people at the street.
      But what is unbelievable is this POX`s message, he / she has never met this photographer and writes that he looks like a psychopath. Now there is really something very wrong with Your trumpish society. Pedophiles there…of course because of Your have Your churches and tight religion everywhere and churches deny normal sex – so people start to rape and kill etc.

      1. Akos Szilvasi Avatar
        Akos Szilvasi

        Well said, Jore. I live in the US but originally from Hungary and I share your sentiment.

      2. Jyndaru Avatar
        Jyndaru

        Amen! I agree 100%. I’m American, born and raised, but I do not feel at home here. The hate this country exudes.. It makes me sick. Someday I’ll save enough money to leave.

        1. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
          Stanley B. Manley

          Don’t forget to blame it on Trump.

          1. Carl LaFong Avatar
            Carl LaFong

            Thanks, I am glad you agree…

        2. DMo Avatar
          DMo

          Then get the fuck out! You broke piece of shit.

      3. NinoBr0wn Avatar
        NinoBr0wn

        You just said Finland is a developed country and the US is a third world country? If you don’t like America, just say so. But don’t go on this wild unrelated rant that has zero to do with the topic.

        1. Jore Puusa Avatar
          Jore Puusa

          63 million US adult citizens cannot read a newspaper – meaning a third is illitterate. In Finland everybody can read ( over 7 years old)… Thta is what I call third world amount. Liking or not liking has nothing to do with facts. And if one cannot read, it affects many parts of life..the less you read the more religious you are. The more religious you are the more mental problems. The more mental problems the more rape and violence. Looking from Europe US is third world with mass killings and the largest porn industry in the world.

          1. NinoBr0wn Avatar
            NinoBr0wn

            ?? you have yourself a good day

          2. James Page Avatar
            James Page

            Nailed it. And I’m American. This country is a dumpster fire. If I could move to Canada I would.

          3. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
            Stanley B. Manley

            Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

          4. DMo Avatar
            DMo

            You can’t even figure out spell check.. Let alone trying to move to a foreign country. Did you ever think that maybe YOU’RE the dumpster fire?!
            Maybe that’s why Hillary lost. Morons like you couldn’t figure out how to put down the vegan soy latte long enough to go to the voting booth. Pussy.

          5. AgNO3 Avatar
            AgNO3

            What’s stopping you? Canada is totally taking well educated immigrants. Germany is also but you have to speak German.

          6. Doug Haner Avatar
            Doug Haner

            We may not be able to read, but we can do simple math.

            World atlas puts the US literacy rate at 86%, which means less than a sixth of the population cannot read. Not great, sure, but not at all the exaggeration you hold to be true.

            If you’re going to insult an entire nation at least get your numbers right.

          7. Jore Puusa Avatar
            Jore Puusa

            “Approximately 32 million adults in the United States can’t read (at all), according to the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found that 50 percent of U.S. adults can’t read a book written at an eighth-grade level.”

            63 million cannot read a newspaper.

            In everyday life everybody on Finland or Scandinavia can read. USa is a nation about to collapse because of illiteracy, watching ABC and hearing rumors from Breitbart does not help to understand each other. And because of the hate and envy everywhere in america people commit crimes. The hypocrit nation USA has the worlds biggest porn industry. Sex has the label of terrible sin and sick people like pedophiles molesters kidnappers murderes etc are getting along cause religion tells the ways people should behave. But education could make things better. That is if there were any . Poor people go to the worst schools cause USA is a class society. Here in scandinavia everybody gets the same, free education and the same free medical care. You can call it socialism but go to Detroit etc and ask people living on the street how would they think about the Scandinavian modell, here we take care of everybody.
            This thread shows well the dividing society of USA.
            The hate and lies rule and destroy Your country.

          8. Doug Haner Avatar
            Doug Haner

            Pedophiles, molesters, kidnappers, murderes, etc are getting along cause religion tells the ways people should behave? Seriously?

            Your opinions have no basis in logic. Also, see how my illiterate self added commas to you ridiculous comments.

            Seems odd that you attack US religion when your churches are directly funded by your taxes. The fact that your nation actually has state religions places you in the dark ages.

            Funny you should say this “watching ABC and hearing rumors from Breitbart does not help to understand each other.” When it is you who has conditioned your mind to hate an entire country. Most likely based on zero first hand knowledge. Yet it is us here in the US that are hypocrites.

            The irony in your post is palpable.

            You did get one thing right. There “you” take care of “each other.” Here “we” take care of “ourselves.”

          9. Jore Puusa Avatar
            Jore Puusa

            My words are those of sociologists. Religion and its hypocritical attitude is important factor in developing crime. I am not a part of church here – I am an atheist, don`t know or care what they pay and to whom here..if somebody is not a memeber of church they do not pay anything like me. I do not write about you with insults— like you do to me and my person. I write wider why USA is full of crime and fear of crime,,which is why this thread started. That is the difference between Europe and America. You act with violence – verbal or physical- to difficult problems. We at least try to solve them talking and not shooting everybody down like You in USA
            No use trying to have a deep conversation with primitive americans.
            Over and out.

          10. Doug Haner Avatar
            Doug Haner

            Run and hide when presented with YOUR hypocrisy. I see how you are.

            Don’t worry, we’ll be here to save you guys again next time some altruistic European despot tries to exterminate you.

          11. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
            Stanley B. Manley

            Anybody in this country who WANTS to learn can find somebody who’ll teach them.

    2. Matthew Avatar
      Matthew

      “Technique because it’s too obvious he’s aiming at strangers and little girls”

      LOL I love how you started with something innocuous & then threw in “and little girls” to try and make it sound creepy. It’s like saying “did you know that 100% of men have eaten food, breathed air or RAPED AN UNDERAGE GIRL.”

      See how I made eating food & breathing air sound sinister by adding that last qualifier? That’s what you just did. As for him taking photos of strangers, of course he did, that’s literally what street photography is.

      “Face because he looks a bit like a psychopath, not just the face but his whole attitude”

      LOL, classic projection: You’ve never met the guy & you’ve just interjected an entire personality on this guy you’ve never met & have found the personality you have attributed to him to be lacking. You are literally opposed to the guy based entirely on a story that’s in your own mind & ONLY your mind. In other words you are shadow boxing your own mind.

      “Some people are really good at detecting potentially dangerous people and that’s why he got flagged.”

      LOL, everyone is potentially dangerous, so yeah 100% of people are great at detecting potentially dangerous people, it’s a very easy skill to possess. If you see a person that person is potentially dangerous, by default.

      What absolute fearmongering you have engaged in here.

    3. Whatdoyknow Avatar
      Whatdoyknow

      And another neurotic!!

  9. Jason Sobel Avatar
    Jason Sobel

    I never take children photos. Without permission.
    I see SO many great shots.
    But in today’s world.
    SAFETY is job #1.
    Plus you should respect people’s privacy.
    I have parents come to me when I am shooting that’s a whole different game.
    It’s just not like the old days.
    We mean well.
    But a few creeps ruin it.
    That’s what today’s world is.

    1. El Mórulas Avatar
      El Mórulas

      That’s exactly what lots of people don’t understand. You can’t just take pics of others kids without consent or explanation, it’s not okay.

      1. Mike P Avatar
        Mike P

        Seems like you don’t understand because actually, by law, you can and don’t need permission to take any pictures in public. Now morally, that may be different, but what he did was not illegal by any means

        1. El Mórulas Avatar
          El Mórulas

          And that’s way he’s not in jail, just rejected by a community.

          1. HorseBackside Avatar
            HorseBackside

            Rejected by a paranoid community when he did nothing wrong. Seems a lot of people have adopted the “witch hunts are ok” mentality. The desire to be a victim is strong with the weak minded, and we have a surplus of the weak minded in this country…….

          2. El Mórulas Avatar
            El Mórulas

            And I don’t think the rejection or witch hunt is ok. I’m just saying that is logical and if the photographer wasn’t able to avoid creating a conflict it was because of lacking a responsibility sense. That’s a typical thought on mediocre and selfish artists ‘I can do whatever I want, is art and I am an artist’. Being sincere, I’ve seen the guy’s work and I don’t see the natural personas that are supposed to be caught infraganti in the streets, you just see people looking at the camera with an uncomfortable face about being shot at…

          3. HorseBackside Avatar
            HorseBackside

            Personally I could never figure the draw of street photography or other “photos of random strangers” so I can’t really defend him other than he is within his legal rights. That said the mob mentality and victim card are turning this country into a USSR type country where everyone is suspicious of each other and more than happy to turn them in to the KGB for their reward of likes and acknowledgment of their “victim” status.

          4. Michael Murphy Avatar
            Michael Murphy

            “He’s just doing ‘whatever he wants because he’s an Artist of considers himself an Artist’?” Legally the law says he is not doing anything illegal so why should he not be allowed to do whatever it is he wants to do? Because someone else decides they don’t like him doing what he is doing and doesn’t want him to do it? You can legally say and do whatever you want because you have that right but only as long as I agree with it? Is that how this works now?

        2. Mark Zilberman Avatar
          Mark Zilberman

          TY. You’re right. In public you need no permission. And if you obstruct you can should be charged with assault, menacing or harassment.

      2. Erin Avatar
        Erin

        I will take a picture of your child if he/she is out in a public place if I want to because I have the right to do so. That being said, if you saw me and asked me to stop once I had politely shown you what I was doing and explained I was doing nothing wrong, I would. I choose not to be an asshole about it.

        I welcome the conversation about safety and knowledge about what I am doing JUST LIKE the photographer in the article. If someone had just asked him what he was doing, he would have explained it and shown them. They could have had that conversation and the public lynching would have been avoided.

        TL;DNR:

        “You can’t just take pics of others kids without consent or explanation, it’s not okay.”

        How could this photographer explain what he was doing if NO ONE came up an asked him?! They didn’t. They lynched him on social media instead and defamed him.

        THAT is what is not okay.

        1. El Mórulas Avatar
          El Mórulas

          I agree with you. But you are wrong in one thing, you don’t have the right to take a picture of my kids even in a public place without my permission because I live in Spain, and in here laws are different…

    2. Ed Selby Avatar
      Ed Selby

      Jason Sobel there is no expectation of privacy at public events

      1. Andrew Sharpe Avatar
        Andrew Sharpe

        Right. But, yelling Fire in a crowded theater isn’t a good example of free speech, and these days, even walking by a children’s park holding a “professional” camera gets you looks that would wilt a plant. So, I try to not even do that, even if I am on my way to photograph plants. It is part of today’s society, and while I am glad I am not a street photographer, it really does change the whole notion of what street photograph is, in the U.S. It is too bad, but it is today’s reality.

    3. Jason Sobel Avatar
      Jason Sobel

      That’s your world.
      In mine I respect it.
      The beauty of America

    4. Eye of kek Avatar
      Eye of kek

      sounds like you’ll censor yourself over making art you want.

    5. Matthew Avatar
      Matthew

      “SAFETY is job #1.”

      It’s a camera, not a gun. How is having your photo taken in a public place unsafe.

    6. Dajanaye Rollins Avatar
      Dajanaye Rollins

      Ed Selby trying telling that to angry parents that are screaming that you are a pedo and ready to smash your camera.

    7. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      “Plus you should respect people’s privacy.” There is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY in a public place.

    8. Shell Greenier Bufton Avatar
      Shell Greenier Bufton

      There is expectation of privacy, actually, if there are no signs posted letting the public know that there will be photos taken and how to opt out. If you don’t get permission from the event coordinators, if you don’t get releases for buildings in your photos, if you don’t get model releases. If you are going to be a “professional” photographer regardless of what you are shooting you need to act like one and protect your subjects and your own company through proper processes. Artists are business people, too, whether we want to admit it or not.

      1. Michael Murphy Avatar
        Michael Murphy

        This is all good “If he is going to sell and make money off of the images”, Is that what you are claiming he was doing or is going to do? Then your assumptions are wrong. You only need permission if you are going to sell the images you take at the event and know ahead of time that is what you plan to do. Everyone has a cell phone nowadays so everyone is carrying around the ‘possibility’ of taking photographs; you can’t discriminate against that one person carrying an actual camera. Your logic is backward as is all this fear about him being a ‘possible pedophile’, a Pedophile would use a cell phone and knows not to draw unwanted attention to himself. DUH!

      2. Carl LaFong Avatar
        Carl LaFong

        Not in the USA; there is explicitly no expectation of privacy in a PUBLIC space. You can “opt-out” by not going into the public space; your choice. Model releases are only required if you publish for profit, not for art. Buildings are not protected as long as you photograph from a public space.

    9. Jason Sobel Avatar
      Jason Sobel

      I agree 100%.
      I ALWAYS get permission if you are a professional act accordingly.
      Have ethics and morals.

    10. Liam Tain Avatar
      Liam Tain

      Actually Shell, in most places in the US, if you are on public property, taking pictures of people/things also on public property you don’t need permission. You are operating 100% legally.

      It’s what allows street photography as a whole to exist.

      Regardless, everyone is missing the point of the article.

  10. Kieran Giles Avatar
    Kieran Giles

    This is hilarious. If someone wants a photo of you there is nothing you can really do. Who cares?

    Telephoto lenses can get a crystal clear image from over 100 meters away.

    It’s all pedophilia fear. People love drama and nothing lets people toot their horn more than a pedo accusation.

    They are normally bored looking for something to get offended at. Like chimps lobbing rocks at other chimps to get a response.

    Photographer should have asked the fair ground first and could have avoided all of this if he had permission.

    Retards everywhere…

    I took my DSLR to an ice cream farm with a bunch of kids in attendance. No problems, I just didn’t take photos of people. Hell I felt wrong taking a picture of someone’s dog without asking.

    Everyone knows what’s going on.

    1. El Mórulas Avatar
      El Mórulas

      Mr. “retards everywhere”, do you have kids?

      1. manofredearth Avatar
        manofredearth

        Irrelevant.

        1. El Mórulas Avatar
          El Mórulas

          LOL that’s the main thing with this issue… if the guy wouldn’t have been taking shots of others’ kids without asking for permission or explaining himself there wouldn’t have been any kind of drama. You aren’t getting the point of this at all.

          1. Charles Bartlett Avatar
            Charles Bartlett

            How can you tell if someone is taking a picture of a kid in public or not? Are you suggesting a camera can never be pointed in the direction of a child in public?

          2. El Mórulas Avatar
            El Mórulas

            Of course you can shoot to wherever you want. The thing is that this guy was taking pictures of a girl dancing… We know is nothing obscene and that the guy wasn’t a perv but how was the mother able to know that?

          3. antifanboyz Avatar
            antifanboyz

            Ask. Like a normal civilized person. All the drama would have been prevented if people would just talk to him.

          4. El Mórulas Avatar
            El Mórulas

            In fact the photographer was the one who had to explain himself. He was the one making the action…

          5. Carl LaFong Avatar
            Carl LaFong

            NOPE. Public place. If you don’t like it, don’t go out in the public. I would have sued them into poverty if they had posted this about me. The law is clear; if you are in a public place, you can take any photograph you want. If someone assaults or hassles you, you can sue them and should.

          6. Mark Zilberman Avatar
            Mark Zilberman

            Thank you! That’s exactly righ . The Constitution makes no mention of any right to privacy in public places. Period. And just exactly what is a pedophile going to do with a picture of a fully clothed child? Use Photoshop to attach the head onto a naked child’s torso? The pedophile doesn’t need to take pictures to do that. There are millions of pictures of young children available everywhere. Give it a rest already! And stop trying to impede on other people’s freedoms.

          7. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
            Stanley B. Manley

            Right Carl, there is no expectation of privacy in a public place.

          8. Bm Burner Avatar
            Bm Burner

            Where did you go to law school? You are going to pay a lawyer then thousand for a one thousand judgement ?

          9. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
            Stanley B. Manley

            “In fact the photographer was the one who had to explain himself. He was the one making the action…” He had no obligation to explain anything. Photography in public is Constitutionally protected free speech as per the SCOTUS.

          10. HorseBackside Avatar
            HorseBackside

            You are one of the mob that has turned this country into an emotionally ret@rded anti-freedom hades hole……..

          11. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
            Stanley B. Manley

            “We know is nothing obscene and that the guy wasn’t a perv but how was the mother able to know that?” She could have simply stood by and watched the man’s behavior perhaps?

          12. El Mórulas Avatar
            El Mórulas

            Yes, that would have been great, but not everyone is so reasonable. And that’s what a street photographer has to be aware of. Even photographing the homeless (which are the favorite of n00bs) can be disrespectful.

      2. HibikiRush Avatar
        HibikiRush

        We get it, you’re the type that’s obsessed with their kid/s. Congrats. You probably overshare their photos on Facebook then make a fuss about this on forums.

        1. El Mórulas Avatar
          El Mórulas

          You’re great at making up prejudices! You are not different to the ones you are criticizing man…

        2. Mark Zilberman Avatar
          Mark Zilberman

          Bravo!

      3. Eye of kek Avatar
        Eye of kek

        Think of the children!

        1. Mark Zilberman Avatar
          Mark Zilberman

          Ok. I am. Now what?

        2. Erin Avatar
          Erin

          I DO! They make lovely photographs. :)

    2. P.H Avatar
      P.H

      I agree and disagree.
      Yes, we live in a culture of paranoia, and media-driven outrage but let’s not be naive… It is a well known fact that paedophiles hang out at holiday destinations and fair grounds pretending to be photographers to get close to children. It happens.

      Would I want a random guy photographing my kid from 3 feet away? No. Would I photograph a kid without permission? Never. It’s naive.

      It’s all a matter of perspective, judgement and preconceptions. We live in strange times.

      1. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
        Stanley B. Manley

        “It is a well known fact that paedophiles hang out at holiday destinations and fair grounds pretending to be photographers to get close to children.”

        CROCK-O-SHIT!!

      2. Buzz Avatar
        Buzz

        A well known fact is it now? I’ve been a photographer for about forty years now and have never heard of that.

        Street photography can be a dicey proposition but some of the best photos come from street photography.

      3. C.I. Inspectors Avatar
        C.I. Inspectors

        This is a sticky topic. But if you’re in the public ? I don’t photograph kids period, not a playgrounds, not at a fair but it’s Legal to do. What? What well known fact about the pedophiles hanging out in holiday destinations? Where is the statistics or did you survey?

      4. Arthur_P_Dent Avatar
        Arthur_P_Dent

        Can you cite sources for your claims about pedophiles masquerading as photographers? Wikipedia is not a real source.

      5. Arthur_P_Dent Avatar
        Arthur_P_Dent

        When I was in high school, our photo class would go to the day-care center on campus for the class assignment on candids. Nobody accused us of being pervs.

    3. Grace LC Avatar
      Grace LC

      There are also ableist pieces of shit everywhere, who knew?

      (In case you didn’t get it: don’t ever use the word ‘retard’. I don’t care what excuse you have or how edgy you want to be, it’s not acceptable in non-arsehole society).

      1. Carl LaFong Avatar
        Carl LaFong

        “Retard” is a word that has many uses, most of them not offensive:

        verb: (used with object) to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.

        verb (used without object)to be delayed.

        noun:a slowing down, diminution, or hindrance, as in a machine.

        Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.

        So, if you’re not making fun of someone, it IS acceptable.

    4. Michael Zinn Avatar
      Michael Zinn

      far from hilarious its actually very scary for anyone who enjoys photography.

    5. Daniel D. Teoli Jr Avatar
      Daniel D. Teoli Jr

      I only shoot super wide…in your face. Not doining it to show off, but I like the look. If I liked tele look I’d do that. Super wides bring you into their world. Now if I was a detective and didn’t care about art, I’d shoot through a telescope.

      And you are right in your analysis, photogs are in the right, not the complainers. But that is just how things are in 2019.

  11. Galonii August Avatar
    Galonii August

    there is so many bad people out there today, parents don’t know who they can trust in public any longer, can you blame them for being upset your taking photos of their them/their kids in public?

    1. Jyndaru Avatar
      Jyndaru

      Yes, I can and do blame them for being upset. I am disgusted by them for attacking this innocent photographer before simply confronting him with their issue.

      Also, get some basic grammar lessons. You’re embarrassing yourself.

      1. DMo Avatar
        DMo

        Instead of worrying about his grammar, why don’t you worry about getting a job? ..Asshole.

    2. manofredearth Avatar
      manofredearth

      Yes, heavily. They’re making the problem worse, not better.

  12. J. Bowen Avatar
    J. Bowen

    I completely understand – and agree about – why he might take photos without prior permission; candid photos better represent real life than staged photos. However, this guy could try to not be a jerk by at least asking people for permission to use photos of them AFTER the photo has been TAKEN (ESPECIALLY of other people’s children) . It takes a couple seconds and completely prevents situations like THIS.

    1. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      The parents could not be jerks by criticizing somebody engaging in a Constitutionally protected activity.

      1. J. Bowen Avatar
        J. Bowen

        Do we REALLY need to have the conversation about the fact that just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s not the behavior of a jerk?

        1. Carl LaFong Avatar
          Carl LaFong

          Yes. Apparently we do, because personal interpretation of a situation is no substitute for laws.

  13. CelticBrewer Avatar
    CelticBrewer

    Not kid related, but I was at my local brewery a few days ago and this creep came up and, pretending to take a picture of the bar, tilted to instead take a picture of the bartender- a very attractive young lady. Then he went back to show his buddies like some sort of big shot. This was a guy in his 50’s perv’ing on a early 20’s woman.

    So I understand why these people got so upset. I also understand that there’s nothing legally wrong with taking pictures of people in public. I guess it comes down to basic respect which a lot of people lack these days. He should have said something after taking the photo.

    1. NinoBr0wn Avatar
      NinoBr0wn

      You just described a very specific act, which is entirely not what the photographer in question did, i.e “perving” on a young woman and bragging to his friends, yet you say you can understand why these people got so upset. There is no correlation.

    2. manofredearth Avatar
      manofredearth

      Not related, even making things worse by pretending these are related.

    3. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      “This was a guy in his 50’s perv’ing on a early 20’s woman.” You nailed it, CB. All those 50’s types who take photos of young female bartenders are perverts, especially if they show the photo to their friends. RIGHT!!

    4. Carl LaFong Avatar
      Carl LaFong

      A bar is not a public space; it is a privately owned area. Depending upon the policy of the bar, they could have asked him to leave or barred his being in the place. Not the same…

  14. Don Barnard Avatar
    Don Barnard

    The real creeps know to get the parents trust and the parents hand over the kids.
    The real creeps hide what they’re doing, and don’t use cameras that attracts attention.
    We have a generation of stupid people, that can’t parent running around attacking innocent photographers..
    And yet security cameras, surveillance cameras, google and apple cars, government drones and satellites are everywhere…
    it’s always the drug addicts that would prostitute their own kids out for a fix that scream pervert when the see a photographer because they’re afraid someone is recording their drug deals …

    1. El Mórulas Avatar
      El Mórulas

      You’re a funny american guy.

    2. P.H Avatar
      P.H

      Is this Alex Jones on a fake account?

    3. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      “it’s always the drug addicts that would prostitute their own kids out for a fix that scream pervert when the see a photographer because they’re afraid someone is recording their drug deals” DUMBASS STATEMENT OF THE DECADE!

    4. El Mórulas Avatar
      El Mórulas

      I’m still laughing at this, can we make this a meme please?

  15. Victoria McHugh Avatar
    Victoria McHugh

    I have always asked afterward, if I catch a cool moment. I think it stems from my time with a newspaper and being a mom. I carry cards and let them know how to get ahold of me if they are interested in a print.

    1. Victoria McHugh Avatar
      Victoria McHugh

      I was only asked once by an adult to delete an image, she was clearly not feeling ‘safe’ with having her image published. I obliged.

      1. AgNO3 Avatar
        AgNO3

        I do the same but I also don’t ask. I have some pretty cool shots of kids from the zoo when I was in college at RIT for photography.

  16. Nermin Huskić Avatar
    Nermin Huskić

    Who took his photos?

    1. Liese Vermont Avatar
      Liese Vermont

      The person who took the photos of him is actually the one at fault.

      Not only did they accuse him of a crime he didn’t commit, they also took pictures of him – with his face in them – and posted them om social media…

  17. Benjamin Gradinski Avatar
    Benjamin Gradinski

    There will always be twats on the internet thay make dumb comments. As long as the photos are not of children or naked people who cares what he does! Also no bank cards!

    1. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      Speaking of twats.

  18. Stephen Conroy Avatar
    Stephen Conroy

    It is unacceptable to take photos of individuals and publish, especially for profit. Unless he has written permission to do so. There is a lot you can do about it. Invasion of privacy, most respectable online sites would require permission from subject before publishing. It is one thing if figure is in general shot but not the case here. And to include children, if he has, is criminal.

    1. Whatdoyknow Avatar
      Whatdoyknow

      Nothing you can do about being neurotic!

      1. Stephen Conroy Avatar
        Stephen Conroy

        Not neurotic to hope for good manners.

        1. manofredearth Avatar
          manofredearth

          Blanket “authoritarian morality” isn’t good manners.

        2. Matthew Avatar
          Matthew

          Deliberately misinforming people isn’t good manners.

    2. Christopher Remley Avatar
      Christopher Remley

      In terms of US law, that very much depends.
      This varies state to state, but generally if the portraits will be used commercially then a signed model release is required. Otherwise, photos taken in public venues have no legal expectation of privacy, regardless of age. The law is very clear on this, which is why even though police were involved in the incident, no criminal action was taken.

      1. Stephen Conroy Avatar
        Stephen Conroy

        As stated, if figure is in general scene no issue. But photographer is targeting individuals, including children. Not allowed in UK and I imagine in US also. But we are not going to agree so I am out.

        1. Christopher Remley Avatar
          Christopher Remley

          I’m unfamiliar with the particulars of photography in UK law, you may be entirely correct on that front, presently I couldn’t say one way or the other without researching further.
          I’m not really seeking to agree or disagree, merely pointing out what US law states. By all means, don’t take my word for it, look it up for yourself.

        2. manofredearth Avatar
          manofredearth

          No, “you’re out” because you’re wrong and can’t defend your false statements. Cheers!

          1. Stephen Conroy Avatar
            Stephen Conroy

            Not wrong. If you photograph a specific person you are not allowed to use commercially without permission. And I am a photographer.

          2. MissH Avatar
            MissH

            Not only is it allowed, but if you share the photo of yourself without crediting the photographer, you can be sued for stealing another person’s intellectual property. Photography falls under copywrite laws in the US.

          3. Stephen T Avatar
            Stephen T

            Ah, you’ve just changed the goal posts. If you’re talking about commercial use of pictures then that’s a different story. But there’s still no law that stops you photographing man, woman or child in a public place. On private property, there may be different rules, depending on the property owner. Still not an offence though

          4. Matthew Avatar
            Matthew

            Wow, you really shifted those goal posts.

          5. AgNO3 Avatar
            AgNO3

            Fine art is not commercial. Commercial is using the image for marketing or other promotional use of a commercial entity.

        3. Stephen T Avatar
          Stephen T

          Nonsense. There is no such law in the UK. The only law relating to images of children is that they not be ‘indecent’. We went through this paranoid nonsense during the authoritarian NuLab regime. It wasn’t illegal then and it’s not now. Though many ill trained PCSOs thought so.

          Obviously if you take photos in a bullying aggressive fashion then you may be committing a public order offence but none of that applies in this case. I’d have thought that American parents might have far more reason to fear an unhinged nutcase with a concealed firearm than a photographer with a harmless camera. The imbecility of people never ceases to astonish me.

          1. Stephen Conroy Avatar
            Stephen Conroy

            Rubbish!!! – enough said.

          2. Stephen Conroy Avatar
            Stephen Conroy

            Scenario – you take a photo of my child who is recognisable in the photo. You then publish it for whatever reason without permission and especially for financial gain. You live in la la land if you think I would not be able to sue your butt off. And this also applies to adults. We are not talking about general shots but specific ‘portrait’ images. And then we have the irony that many photographers would scream copyright abuse if someone used their photo without permission when they did not seek permission to take the picture. Most POD sites will not accept such images without a release from the subject. Consider this a free lesson. The end.

        4. Matthew Avatar
          Matthew

          No, you are wrong. There is no expectancy of privacy in a public place. It is 100% legal for a photographer to take the photo of anyone who does not have an expectancy of privacy.

        5. AgNO3 Avatar
          AgNO3

          Wrong it is legal in the U.S.

    3. manofredearth Avatar
      manofredearth

      No, you are wrong and intentionally misleading others with bad information.

    4. MissH Avatar
      MissH

      Are you not familiar with paparazzi? What you describe is exactly how tabloid magazines and websites operate.

      1. AgNO3 Avatar
        AgNO3

        Slightly different in that the persons are usually public figures as it relates to publishing those photos.

    5. James Page Avatar
      James Page

      You have no idea what you’re talking about. In the USA: Anyone in “public” has NO expectation of privacy and can be photographed with impunity. What you can’t do is use that photo for profit without the subject’s permission. Photographing children in public is perfectly legal. Please stop spreading such nonsense. Educate yourself before you propose to inform others.

      1. AgNO3 Avatar
        AgNO3

        You can profit from art sells. You can’t use it commercially.

    6. AgNO3 Avatar
      AgNO3

      Just plain wrong.

  19. g_disqus Avatar
    g_disqus

    Surprisingly, here in Kazakhstan, no one pays attention to photographers at events. They may be outraged if there is absolutely no one on the street, but when there are a lot of people, then there are a lot of photographers. I constantly wonder how all people calmly perceive photographers at the fair, although they are usually suspicious. Some photos

  20. g_disqus Avatar
    g_disqus

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c635156068351795867596b433a2177f077c375e1639860b3853be2bc6db8a2.jpg
    Surprisingly, here in Kazakhstan, no one pays attention to photographers at events. They may be outraged if there is absolutely no one on the street, but when there are a lot of people, then there are a lot of photographers. I constantly wonder how all people calmly perceive photographers at the fair, although they are usually suspicious. Some photos

  21. Matthiu Ryin Avatar
    Matthiu Ryin

    I took a picture of people sleeping on a train and it won best photo in my photography class.

    1. Bharath kumar Avatar
      Bharath kumar

      Photo please….

  22. Don Smith Avatar
    Don Smith

    If it was a woman it would not be questioned

    1. Jonney Richy Avatar
      Jonney Richy

      Yup well said. I was about to comment and say that

    2. Pamela Hunnicutt Avatar
      Pamela Hunnicutt

      Exactly what I was going to say, more often than not parents ask me ignorant I got good pictures and request a copy

    3. Erin Avatar
      Erin

      Beg to differ as I am female. I was at my local zoo taking candids for practice. I was stopped and questioned several times. I spent a total of five hours at the zoo wandering around and enjoying myself and taking pictures, particularly of little kids, and probably had a couple people ask me what I was doing two or three times on the hour. I had a large telephoto lens so I didn’t need to get up in anyone’s face and ruin the moment but it made me a clear and obvious target for “stranger danger” worryworts. This has also happened when I’ve been out in the city or any other public area. I like parks, and children generally come with that territory. I get the glares as well.

      Of course, I’ve always politely informed anyone who stopped me that I was within my legal rights to take pictures as I please, but that being said, I have never been offended that people are concerned about strangers taking pictures of their children. I happily show them what I am taking and even give them my details if they want any of the shots. Very few have followed through. The fact that I freely gave my contacts as opposed to asking for theirs also helps.

      Sadly the problem is that so many people are hyperaware and keen to jump on anyone who MIGHT be doing the wrong thing when it’s obvious. I’ve seen more upskirting of women and young girls by random business men with mobile phones than I’ve ever seen anything untoward being done by photographers.

      1. OnideusMadHatter Avatar
        OnideusMadHatter


        I was at my local zoo taking candids for practice. I was stopped and questioned several times.”

        People are getting too damn paranoid these days. It’s part of our culture, being paranoid, afraid of the unknown, etc. It seriously needs to stop! We are not a warm and compassionate people by a long shot, we need to be better, do better.

    4. FrogLuvR Avatar
      FrogLuvR

      Funny, many times I will shoot with my women photo friends, and they usually will be yelled at or question :-)

  23. Remco Zwart Avatar
    Remco Zwart

    Would there be another Cartier Bresson if we all would react as idiots about taking pictures of people, young or old?

  24. North Wind Avatar
    North Wind

    Facebook breeds hate, supports supression of dissenting voices and proves how disturbed and savage the left is.

    1. Carl LaFong Avatar
      Carl LaFong

      Care to join THIS discussion?

  25. Pieter Trytsman Avatar
    Pieter Trytsman

    White Male paranoia, they all pedophiles. Pathetic

  26. blokeinusa Avatar
    blokeinusa

    we should report every teenager with a cellphone then?

    1. KCWang Avatar
      KCWang

      Bingo. Who knows what evil lurks in their hearts?

  27. P.H Avatar
    P.H

    Firstly, in this world we now live in, full of suspicion, paranoia and alarmist behaviour… It’s very, very naive of a photographer to take photos of kids without permission at a fair.
    Maybe approach the person after taking the shot, introduce yourself and ask if you can keep it.

    Personally, I’d never photograph a child without pernission. It just feels wrong to me.

    On the other hand, and the main problem here is the sad fact that a person’s first reaction at seeing a man with a camera at a fair is… Pervert, child molester, weirdo, paedophile. With no justification.
    That prejudice and judgement is very much in the eye of the beholder and says a lot about their thought process and modern society in general.

    I think the summary is… Assume nothing, use common sense, be safe and communicate.

    1. Carl LaFong Avatar
      Carl LaFong

      “Common sense is what tells us the earth is flat.”

      Stuart Chase

      1. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
        Stanley B. Manley

        Right you are Carl. What passes for “common sense” in today’s world usually has a lot more to do with “common” than it does with “sense”.

    2. Stanley B. Manley Avatar
      Stanley B. Manley

      “It’s very, very naive of a photographer to take photos of kids without permission at a fair.” And it’s very idiotic for people to make dumbass statements like this on the internet.

  28. Pentax User Avatar
    Pentax User

    I personally do not do street photography. It may be legal but it can also be very dangerous. There are many sick individuals out there that do not know the law and believe they would be justified in harming you and destroying your equipment.

    When I read postings from many street photographers. I see them talking about using small cameras and shooting from the hip without looking at the subjects. It seems that they realize that some people may not be happy with what they are doing. Which is why they try and conceal what they are doing.

    On a personal note I would not like someone taking my picture without my permission.

    1. KCWang Avatar
      KCWang

      That is really sad, Mr User. I feel your pain.

    2. Matthew Avatar
      Matthew

      “I personally do not do street photography. It may be legal but it can also be very dangerous. There are many sick individuals out there that do not know the law and believe they would be justified in harming you and destroying your equipment.”

      Sure, but that’s true about every aspect of life. ALL of life is very dangerous. I mean how many people ever get out of life alive? None. Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop living, because living could be dangerous.

    3. Carl LaFong Avatar
      Carl LaFong

      Buddy, you’re in the wrong hobby…

    4. AgNO3 Avatar
      AgNO3

      Monopods do more then hold up cameras. Aluminum is better the weight helps lower vibration. And lawyers are good at sueing those who would attack a person. Couple 100k for assault and kids parent doing 3 to 5 in prison vs being with their kid.

    5. Chris Davis Avatar
      Chris Davis

      I often shoot from the hip but not for a nefarious reason. It is the only way to capture natural situations. If people see a camera aimed in their direction they will pose, or get self-conscious, or smile, etc. People have been taught to pose and smile for cameras. That is not what I’m after, that’s boring.

  29. Nadine Pankow Avatar
    Nadine Pankow

    Why are people so stupid? ??

  30. Roseanna Smith Avatar
    Roseanna Smith

    I agree it’s insensitive (at best) to take pictures of kids without parent permission. But the paranoia has gotten to the point where kids don’t even have to be present for accusations to fly. I was shooting in an empty school parking lot during winter break after dark in the rain. A neighborhood mom drove up to me and asked what I was doing, and when I told her I was a photographer, and I shoot lonely parking lot scenes, she replied that I was in a school, and there was a neighborhood nearby, and I could be photographing children.

    She and I were the only people around!

    I understand the fear, I really do, but I agree with the commenters who say the paranoia has reached ridiculous levels.

  31. Hippy NZ Avatar
    Hippy NZ

    Difference between the photog in the photos and the trouble maker that took them is that they photois an actual photographer creating art in a public place openly, they guy that took the photos of him is just a peach of shit trouble making creep taking photos in a creepy way just to cause trouble. This is the other problem of all phones having cameras, people like this idiot snap photos of someone doing no harm then post them in the most vial way for the sole purpose of harming their reputation. the guy posting them was not doing it to protect anyone because no one was being harmed, but he decided to cause trouble anyway for his own amusement. What is funny is the number of people in comments under the article that claimed they have never taken photos of kids without permission, that is a lie. Have they asked every person in the background of a photo of their kid