Control Your Flash Settings With a TV Remote Control

Control Your Flash Settings With a TV Remote ControlControlling your strobe from a distance has always been a priority for off camera flash photographers. If TTL works for you, you can extend your TTL cable quite a bit using a simple Cat5e hack.

But what if you could do this remotely. and I mean skipping the whole walking to the flash and adjusting it bit. (Or asking your assistant to do so, assuming you have an assistant). Up until now remote controlling your strobe like this was a benefit saved for Profoto Air Remote ($325 remote only) and profoto heads, or Radio Popper Jrx owners (Strobist review here).

Now this very exciting feature is available for the oh so cheap YN460 manual flash ($69 + about $10 in remote parts) - read the howto after the jump.

Photographer Domjan Svilkovic uses a PicAxe - a small microprocessor which is really "dumb" and small to do just this. But, as far as PICs go small and dumb is good news since the smaller and dumber they are they eat less of your battery.

Domjan says that he's completely new to all this micro-controller electronics things, so it should be quite easy to build even for beginners

Here's what you'll need

(just your average electronics supplies):

Control Your Flash Settings With a TV Remote Control

Building The Circuit

The circuit is fairly simple. Actually, the only parts that is
YN460-specific are the solder points on the flash. If you have some
other flash that also uses a two buttons to set the flash power level
than it's more than likely that you can use this same circuit to remote
control it. Solder points 1 and 2 are s positive side of the said
buttons and the point 3 is the negative side. The circuit simply
simulates the pressing of a button (any button you connect it to).

Control Your Flash Settings With a TV Remote Control

You'll also need some way to download the program to the picaxe. How to do this can be found in the picaxe manual 1: http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/docs/da...xe_manual1.pdf

Basically what you will need is another 20k resistor, either USB or
serial picaxe download cable, a 3.5mm stereo connector and a breadboard
though you could probably get away with only a DIY cable (if you have a
serial port).

The tricky part is to try to solder the circuit to be as small as possible
because there is not much room inside the flash so I don't recommend the
PCB approach but a 'dead-bug' style that I used. Don't know about the
YN460-II (it's got a slave detector in front) but on the YN460 you can
get significantly more room if you make a large rectangular hole below a
fake IR window.

Control Your Flash Settings With a TV Remote Control

Here you can download the BAS program (firmware) for the picaxe:

http://domjan.fizika.org/flash_remote-08M.bas



If you have and problems with picaxe programming (after you have read
the excellent manuals), this is a great place to ask for help: http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=2

The receiver will respond only to the Sony TV remote (or any universal
remote set to Sony mode). This is a picaxe limitation and can not easily
be changed.

An inexpensive remote is this one from DealExtreme, shown in the video is only $3.64 (Sep 1st)

Operating Instructions

  • Vol + increase power by one stop
  • Vol - decrease power by one stop
  • Mute turn the LED off for 5 seconds (useful for programing some universal remotes)
  • Power put the receiver in the OFF state
  • 1-7 directly set the flash power level
  • When a valid code is received the LED momentarily turns off and on again to indicate that the action has been taken.

Some Random Notes

  • One of the problems I have tried to solve is the circuit power consumption. As there is no separate power switch for the circuit, it's connected all the time to the flash batteries and will drain them eventually. It minimize this power drain I have made it possible to completely cut off the power to the IR demodulator and also put the picaxe in a low power state.
  • To reset the receiver to it's initial (standby) condition, open and close the battery cover. The LED should start blinking. You have 5 minutes to send any IR code to the flash (doesn't even have to be Sony TV code). If no signal is received in 5 minutes, the receiver will shut off at which point you would have to again open the battery cover if you want to use it. 
  • Once the first code is received, the receiver switches to 'ON' mode in which it continually scans for the Sony IR remote codes. It understands these codes:
  • The range I am getting is quite good - about 15-20m direct line of sight. In a typical room with a white walls no line of sight is required - a bounce from a wall works just fine.
  • It should be extremely easy to modify the picaxe program to use a different set of keys so you can control two sets of modified flashlights with the same mini IR remote (one set would use ch+/ch- keys).

If you've got any questions, feel free to ask either in this thread or on the picaxe forum.

About the author: Domjan Svilkovic is an amateur photographer for about 10 years. His primary passion is the macro photography and he often DIY stuff to save a few (or more than a few) bucks. The original hack was posted here. See more of Domjan's work here.

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Comments

genius!

  • September 2, 2010
  • kkjensen

Someone needs to make an 'optical slave' with this and market it...I'm dumbfounded how obvious this seems now that I'm looking at it.

adding an on-off switch

  • September 2, 2010
  • dima

sorry - i am not a perfect in electronic parts

but ..

maybe adding a simple on-off dip switch may help with reseting and shutting reciever off  when not needed instead of opening and closing battery cover ?

 

More that one/two

  • September 2, 2010
  • Anonymous

First off, Picaxe are brilliant!

Second, because of this it would be easy to implement more than one of these (up to 10!).

You could set the program to just listen when it turns on, and the first number pulse it receives is it's identifier.  After that, when it receives the "mute" pulse, to wait a half-second for a number pulse, and if it hears it's number pulse, to receive for a few seconds.  Or go into a receive mode for 5 or so seconds (reset after command received, so after each pulse it waits an additional 5 seconds).

Then you could have groups, and in theory, as many of these heads as you would like.

I am officially interested...

Also, a little pezo and tie

  • September 2, 2010
  • Anonymous

Also, a little pezo and tie into the green ready light and you have audio confirm, and audio feedback for when you change a setting.

And the center button on the remote could be for model-light fire.

The problem is that with this

  • September 3, 2010
  • Domjan

The problem is that with this circuit the 08M has only one free output left. My original idea vas to use it as a 'IR received' cenformation beep using a piezzo speaker but I haven't managed to find a piezzo speaker small enough to fit inside the flash.

A 'flash full' beep would be usefull but unfortunatelly you would have to use a bigger picaxe to get more IO ports and the lack of space inside the flash could really be a problem. One solution would be to use the smaller surface mount components and a tiny PCB. That way you could probably fit something like 20X2 or a new 18M2 and add stuff like s sound trigger, programable delay, second curtain sync and who knows what else.

PS: it seems the TechSupplies has again changed the links on their site so the shopping list links I gave no longer work :( It should be easy to find the correct components, though.

I could be wrong, but I

  • September 3, 2010
  • Anonymous

I could be wrong, but I beleive a few diodes would allow a pin to act as both input and output.

Thanks for your

  • September 2, 2010
  • Domjan

Thanks for your comments!

Yes, it's trivial to add support for multiple 'channels'. The easiest way would be to simply have two channels and use ch+/ch- to control one flash (group) and vol+/vol- to control the other. Even a tiny remote such as this: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2663 could handle such a setup and for most people two groups would be enough.

Here is how my current remote looks like:

It's mounted on top of my RF trigger.

The original thread is located here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=860695

remote shutter

I always wondered if it was possible to use a universal remote as a remote shutter release on a camera with ir shutter release capabilities. I'm guessing it would be as easy as finding the right button\model combination, anyone know?

Re: remote shutter

@Robert, it is absolutely possible, you just have to find the right code - just google to find out, it only takes a couple of tries to match it up.  I use a cheap universal remote and it works great.  Only prob is that it's too bulky, so I'll eventually grab a built-for-purpose IR remote.

Remote shutter

  • September 3, 2010
  • Pete

I've used iShoot triggers modified as a remote shutter just to see if it works, and it kind of does on a 40d, the only problem is its just a trigger, there's no way to do it as a shutter hold. Also it's not entirely reliable, sometimes it doesn't fire. The triggers are about £20-£25, so about $35-$40 I guess. 

Really like the idea of an RC flash, would save time flicking from one flash to the next. 

Kinda inspired me to do a remote flash and remote trigger all in one. 

Building your own remote

  • September 4, 2010
  • Domjan

Building your own remote flash trigger is a lot harder. It's got to be extremely fast and reliable (two things that do not go well together). Also there are now a lot of relatively good and very inexpensive RF triggers (the ones I am using cost something like $18 for a receiver-transmitter pair and are very close to 100% reliable up to 20m distance). I don't think you can DIY a RF trigger for below $20.

IR remote, on the other hand, is simple, inexpensive and there is no commercial alternative for even close to that price so I believe it's a good project for someone who enjoys such things. It's also a good intro to picaxe micro-controllers (handy little buggers!).

Wow

Wow this site amazes me cannon believe this actually works! Really wish I had the time to try!

on/off button

  • September 23, 2010
  • digitaldog

Instead of connecting the circuit directly to the battery, does anyone know how to tie it into the on/off button of the YN460?

does it work for a YN560, too?

  • February 3, 2011
  • photopoeth

This is brilliant! Sadly I do own a YoungNuo YN-560. Does it work, too?

My guess is that it should be

  • February 3, 2011
  • Domjan

My guess is that it should be possible to make it work with YN-560 but you will have to discover the connection points yourself. Not recommended if you have no experience with these kind of things.

Thanks! I definitively have

  • February 3, 2011
  • photopoeth

Thanks! I definitively have no experience with that, so I think I'll have to wait until someone comes up with a solution...

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