Photographer Pens Persuasive Open Letter To Garbage After Asked By Band To Use Photos For Free

Tiffany Mueller

Tiffany Mueller is a photographer and content strategist based in Hawi, Hawaii. Her work has been shared by top publications like The New York Times, Adobe, and others.

(Photo by Daniele Dalledonne)
(Photo by Daniele Dalledonne)

Photographers and musicians have at least one thing in common, for both types of artists, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get paid for the work they create regardless of how “good” it is. Given that fact, it’s always a little disappointing to see things play out the way they have between rock band, Garbage, and pro photographer, Pat Pope.

Pope has just posted an open letter to the band, kindly declining Garbage’s request to use some of Pope’s photos in an upcoming book without paying for them. He explains he was contacted by the group’s management company, Big Picture Music Co., via email that was full of praise and adoration of the photographer’s past work with the band. Pope says Big Picture described the book as “financially limited” (read: “We’re not going to pay you”), but Pope would get “proper credit” if he allowed his images to be used in the book. 

This inspired two very appropriate questions in the photographer. From one artist to another, Pope asked the band:

Q1: I’m a firm believer that musicians and artists deserve to be paid for their work….When you think about artists being paid, does that include photographers? Do you think “content providers”, whatever the hell that means, deserve to be paid for their work, or is that a special category for musicians? If I want to release a music album, can I use your music in it if I give you a “proper credit”?

Q2: If you’re putting together a book, presumably someone at your management company or somebody in the band has written a budget. And if there’s a budget, somewhere in that budget, against the line for “use of photos” somebody has written “no need to pay, we’ll just give them a proper credit and get them for free”…But that same person has written zero for photos, because that content, in their opinion, they can get for free. Who is that person? As a band are you happy to be employing someone who thinks like that? Because it seems to me that the person who writes down “zero for photos” today is the same person who will write down “zero for music” tomorrow because they don’t respect the “content providers”.

The closing paragraphs in Pope’s eloquently written open letter summarizes it perfectly: “…it worries me more that musicians and others are saying one thing publicly about the needs for artists to be paid for their work whilst privately people working for them are doing exactly the opposite.

He also makes note that he is not placing blame on the band themselves, as he is not sure of the depth of their involvement with the process, but wants them to be aware of what is happening. “So, very respectfully, …….no,” Pope added. “No, you don’t have my permission to use my work for free. I’m proud of my work and I think it has a value. If you don’t think it has any value, don’t use it. I’m saying no to a budget that says you can take my work for free and make money out of it. Thanks, and still a fan of the band.”

In favor of the band, Pope said he recognized that even receiving an email request to use his photos was an improvement over past management of the band, citing they had previously used one of his photographs without permission in the past. After the photographer went to the music store and purchased their CD, Absolute Garbage, Pope discovered one of his photos had been used in the album artwork.

To read the full letter, and learn more about the photographer, you can visit his website at www.PatPope.com.

[ via Louder Than War | Lead Image by Daniele Dalledonne ]

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Tiffany Mueller

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Tiffany Mueller is a photographer and content strategist based in Hawi, Hawaii. Her work has been shared by top publications like The New York Times, Adobe, and others.

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24 responses to “Photographer Pens Persuasive Open Letter To Garbage After Asked By Band To Use Photos For Free”

  1. Ali Hanyaloglu Avatar
    Ali Hanyaloglu

    Kudos to Pat Pope for responding publicly, eloquently and thoughtfully.

    I sometimes wonder if this attitude in the “content provider” world is being fueled by consumers expecting to get their media for free today? Like me, I am sure many of you have been asked at one time or another by friends and acquaintances for recommendations for music, to then be asked “Can I listen to that on Spotify?” or “Where can I download that for free?” [I don’t answer the latter question!]

    I look forward to the day when more consumers – and therefore the business decision makers – realize and contribute through payment all the hard work and investment that goes in to creating high quality, professionally-delivered “content”.

  2. Steve Solis Avatar
    Steve Solis

    Perhaps the band should be asked if photographers can download their songs for free. But no one likes garbage.

    1. maloner76 Avatar
      maloner76

      I love Garbage. Not the stuff piling up in my kitchen because I’m a bachelor slob, mind you, but the band is awesome.

  3. Steve Reeder Avatar
    Steve Reeder

    good for him..

  4. Greg Easton Avatar
    Greg Easton

    They paid him back in 1995.

    1. Morgan Glassco Avatar
      Morgan Glassco

      If they had the rights they wouldn’t have approached him in the first place.

      Musicians get paid ongoing royalties when their music is played on the radio/Internet. Why shouldn’t the photographer get paid for additional uses today?

    2. Jack Jitsu Avatar
      Jack Jitsu

      Hey I bought a garbage mp3 for $1 on google play. I PAID FOR IT. So certainly I can use it commercially, forever, everywhere in the world right?

      Garbage is so hypocritical. Its sad watching wealthy mega-artists try to pay another artist NOTHING. Talk about hypocrisy and entitlement.

      Photographers get paid for every use of their art, exactly like musicians get paid for every use of their music.

  5. Brian Firefly Conroy Avatar
    Brian Firefly Conroy

    Pay the [photographer]

    http://youtu.be/mj5IV23g-fE

  6. Mark Airey Avatar
    Mark Airey

    And the bad have replied to it already…..do keep up :P

  7. Graeme Williams Avatar
    Graeme Williams

    Sue the bastards!

    1. What? Avatar
      What?

      Uhhh…did you read the thing? It doesn’t sound like you read the thing.

  8. Jim Johnson Avatar
    Jim Johnson

    So let me get this straight… they asked you for permission and you said “no.” That seems legitimate. So why are you on the internet complaining? Because they hurt your feelings? I think you felt insulted, which is your right, but all you’re doing is whining about it now, imho.

    1. anders Avatar
      anders

      I take it you’re not a photographer or any other kind of person trying to make a living off your creativity. For people like us, it’s pretty clear that this lack of respect for the work of others is slowly making it harder and harder to earn a living.

      If you’re not trouble by these developments, good for you. Not everyone is as fortunate.

      1. Jim Johnson Avatar
        Jim Johnson

        I am a photographer and have been doing it since pre-internet days. I have also been a graphic designer. These are not “developments”. This kind of thing has gone on as long as people have needed images. The only difference now, imho, is that images are easier to come by, but so is the ability to catch people who use your images without permission.

        And, there isn’t a “lack of respect” for photographers, the public simply has a different relationship to photos and photographers than they used to.

        I stand by my statement… They asked and he said “no.” It happens in business all the time. Quit whining.

        1. John Miller Avatar
          John Miller

          Jim Johnson, you sound like a damn idiot! He was just putting out some information to share and help with others. Keep hiding behind emails because you are too much of a coward to say it to his face.

          1. Jim Johnson Avatar
            Jim Johnson

            Whoa! easy there. You might bust a blood vessel.

        2. Renlish Avatar
          Renlish

          I think you’re missing the point, Jim. While you present a very simplified (and admittedly accurate) view of the situation, you forget that content creators deserve to be paid. Full stop and period. It’s as shitful as my being asked to shoot a wedding and having my name credited on the invites but not get paid for services rendered. Or have someone want a logo I’ve designed and want to use it for free. No – big no – to either of those situations.

          1. Jim Johnson Avatar
            Jim Johnson

            My point is: People have asked for things for free as long as I have been in the business (over 15 years). You tell them no, and then you move on. It’s part of the business. It’s part of being a business. It feels personal to you, but it’s not.

            Yeah, it gets under your skin— even with me from time to time. I’m not meaning to be harsh, because I have been there. But it’s going to happen, and you can’t focus on trying to change other people’s behavior. You have to learn to deal with it and survive within it.

            This is not really directed at you or your reply, but I also think we think we’re privileged. Photographers always say clients wouldn’t do this in a restaurant or grocery store. Having worked in both those places, I can tell you they do very similar, stupid things in those environments.

          2. Tess Frost Avatar
            Tess Frost

            I think the issue has become one of cultural creep. More and more people seem to have accepted that they SHOULD allow the use of their work for free in order to get “exposure” and users are starting to expect this and even get unpleasant when not given carte blanche to use other people’s content as they wish, “after all they are getting free exposure”. If no one speaks up or out, this state of affairs will get only worse. People need to be reassured that it is ok to, and indeed be encouraged to, stand up for the value of their work.

            Also, just because a situation is so, and has been for a long time, does that mean we should just accept it for all time? If things can be improved, it is always worthwhile to try to do so.

            I agree that whining is not a good idea – but it springs from a disappointed sense of over-entitlement to start with. When the complaint is legitimate and is stated calmly and unconfrontationally, it is worth stating, and is not whining.

            Continuing to be stoic and private in one’s struggles against exploitation work when so many are being exploited around you too is not going to be useful to anyone.

            This open letter does not have the tone of whining. It is a considered, non-combative, and thoughtful comment on a situation which has been encountered too often by too many, and is inviting effective dialogue that will hopefully lead to better understanding between all parties, everywhere, not just in this one situation.

      2. Francisco Colon Jr. Avatar
        Francisco Colon Jr.

        An award to Pat for being bold enough to stand his ground, he did state that this was not the first time and the band was not his first to ask for free use of his photos…but the example has to start somewhere…its the action that is on trial here and I stand with the man…well, if there was a women, I stand with her too…. :)

  • Francisco Colon Jr. Avatar
    Francisco Colon Jr.

    I pay for songs, I pay a carpenter, a mechanic…I paid to have my resume updated…I pay my electric bill for services…Photographers should be paid for their creation, be it an enhancements, a cleanup or a crop…it’s a job, they use tools, they take time to learn their craft…that has value…The photographer didnt over reach…he defended his craft. I am sure many other photographer may not give a shit about their value…he does and the band should have respected him for that…The license on the past shoot should have been expanded for this NEW venture or the band should have worked a deal with the photographer…simple…I side with all creative artist, this includes singers, songwriters, musicians, DJs, etc, etc, etc…

  • Orion Avatar
    Orion

    so what do i do as a musician if a photographer takes a picture of me and sells & licenses said image without my permission?

    1. toddwilliamson Avatar
      toddwilliamson

      hire a lawyer

  • toddwilliamson Avatar
    toddwilliamson

    I love this article.. I once had a rapper say “hey i used your photo for my album cover…. Maybe i owe you something”… I never got paid.